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25.06.2020 19:42:44
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LillyAnn wrote:
The questions are pretty simple. Why Alex, as FG or BL police, knew next:
1. that bots voted 50-50 for both Ulvhild and FWN? Even worse, why one of 3 PB candidates was kept in dark all the time?
2. who is Detective Locke?
3. whom detective and PB investigate and why?
4. who are players who disliked her and her friends' post? (yes, they were given the list)?

And finally, why she was kept as FG for so long, after so many appeals and report from too many various players?
1. No one knew the exact amount of bots. Why Alex told you that it was 50-50, I don't know, but it's not true. I told both PB candidates what was going on, the only difference being that when I noticed the bot activity during the election, I immediately alerted Ulvhild about it, while the election was still happening, and gave her some numbers. I did that because she and I had bot voters and Toki didn't, so I made the mistake of not immediately including her in the conversation. When the election ended I kept quiet, waiting for Team Bimbo to explain everything. When Chris wrote that only Ulvhild had bot voters and people started asking questions, I explained what happened in my Pink House discord server. I didn't want to explain anything in public because I waited for TB to do it...which they didn't.

2. If Alex knows who Detective Locke is, that is on the detective. I have nothing to do with that.

3. I didn't think it was an issue if FGs/BL police knew about suspicious players and knew who to pay attention to. However, this didn't turn out good when Alex spilled some things in public and it was the final straw that made me remove her FG tools. I will now have to consider if I should share my investigation with new FGs.

4. I don't remember giving her that list. I talked about some players who disliked her and my posts but she doesn't have a list. 

5. This is a tough question. She kept promising she will do better and apologizing for her mistakes so I gave her chances after chances. She then started promising that she will take a break and resign and I really wanted her to do that on her own, without me punishing her. But it didn't happen. As a friend, I didn't want to hurt her feelings and in the process I hurt other people who were affected by her mistakes. I'm truly sorry for that. I was biased. I wanted everything to be like it was half a year ago. Her and Ulvhild were really good FGs back then.

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25.06.2020 22:11:09
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FGs are not detectives and “suspicious behavior/activity” is not where they have jurisdiction. They are forum guardians for a reason - they are there to moderate the forums. Just because they’re now called bimbo police (which was a huge mistake on TB’s part), doesn’t mean they should be given information on investigations unless it directly pertains to forum activity. 

If I asked you to tell me who regularly disliked my posts, would you tell me? Regardless of your answer, it shouldn’t be done. You admitted yourself that you were biased toward Alex and didn’t want to hurt her feelings. Telling her who disliked her posts regularly puts a target on those people’s backs, especially considering she was an FG at the time. Telling us when bots dislike our posts is a different story because it doesn’t affect real people. That all aside, not a great use of your tools. It makes me wonder how often you’re just looking this up just to know. Likes and dislikes on posts were made private for a reason, so people  can express their reactions without fear of being retaliated against. That goes out the window if you actively look for the users who disliked your posts. The reason why many of the shop workers and designers were upset was because they were providing the players with new information and items and were met with a significant amount of dislikes. Their posts were not controversial. Those disliking bots were made with a purpose, and it was to target those specific players in that thread - that much was obvious. 

Please don’t defend Alex outing a Detective. Detective identities were kept secret for a reason. Even if Alex found out because she was directly told that information from a detective themselves, it’s absolutely inappropriate of her to go public about it. She knows that. And now it’s just a tool in her petty revenge. Just as it was inappropriate to accuse a player of misconduct publicly without the proof. Many of us truly trusted Alex at some point. Don’t blame them for confiding in her, because in the end, it was her decision to manipulate and expose people who confided in her. 

25.06.2020 22:11:09
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25.06.2020 22:48:06
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How that whole likes/dislikes discussion with her started was that I was looking for those bots in a lot of people's profiles, including Alex. She posted in that thread, she had them in her list too. I was discussing it with her and she asked if some particular players disliked her posts and I told her. I didn't provide her with a full list. I probably would have done the same with anyone who asked.  But I see how it was wrong.
I'm not defending myself here, just letting you know how it all happened.

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Please don’t defend Alex outing a Detective. Detective identities were kept secret for a reason. Even if Alex found out because she was directly told that information from a detective themselves, it’s absolutely inappropriate of her to go public about it. She knows that. And now it’s just a tool in her petty revenge. Just as it was inappropriate to accuse a player of misconduct publicly without the proof. Many of us truly trusted Alex at some point. Don’t blame them for confiding in her, because in the end, it was her decision to manipulate and expose people who confided in her. 
I was not defending Alex for outing the detective, that's messed up, how did you come to that conclusion?! I answered the question: "Why Alex, as FG or BL police, knew who is Detective Locke?" with  "I have nothing to do with that." because I don't and that's it. Nowhere did I defend what she did and further more, I reported her behavior. When the same incident happened yesterday, with an account made to out the detective, I got that account deleted asap.
I'm not blaming the detective either, but since the question asked for explanations, I just wrote that it's not on me to explain that.

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25.06.2020 22:55:49
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4. I don't remember giving her that list. I talked about some players who disliked her and my posts but she doesn't have a list.
It sounds more or less the same, it's just worded differently. Not all players have that privilege to know who are 'some players' who dislike their posts. For instance, you have never told me that Alex and Ulvhild used to dislike almost every post I made, in any thread. Nor I asked for it. I assume it were they because constant 2 downvotes seem pretty obvious.
In one previous post you told me you have no idea who is that one shop worker who was not a target of bots dislikes. I didn't have chance to reply earlier, but now I can. It is Cum Dumpster. She hasn't received such major disliking as the rest of us did. It leaves only two options open:
a) Bots indeed didn't target her
b) You informed her about disliker bots much earlier than the rest of us

3. I didn't think it was an issue if FGs/BL police knew about suspicious players and knew who to pay attention to. However, this didn't turn out good when Alex spilled some things in public and it was the final straw that made me remove her FG tools. I will now have to consider if I should share my investigation with new FGs.
Maybe it wasn't written as a rule, but really, don't you think it's a bit too much of info for someone who is supposed to moderate forum? Why FG needs to pay attention on accounts suspicious for cheating, what it has with forum and forum rules?
She already displayed wrong behavior as FG before that with editing over and over again another player's post, just out of spite, for her fun. That was only one thing, but we all know there were a lot of issues with her. Please don't tell me you are not informed about that. Yet you continued to feed her with information that were not her business, after days and even months of her constant abuse of her tools, position and friendship with you and some other people including detective.

Regarding the last incident, you gave her info that was wrong. You still wasn't sure that player abused rules. Yet, it came to Alex's hands and she wholeheartedly abused it. You were aware that Alex indeed had something against shop workers and designers and continued to feed her rage and grudge. You were aware all the time that you were harming both SW and designers (and other players as well) by meeting her selfish needs. I really can't comprehend what interest you found in doing that if there was any at all.

5. This is a tough question. She kept promising she will do better and apologizing for her mistakes so I gave her chances after chances. She then started promising that she will take a break and resign and I really wanted her to do that on her own, without me punishing her. But it didn't happen. As a friend, I didn't want to hurt her feelings and in the process I hurt other people who were affected by her mistakes. I'm truly sorry for that. I was biased. I wanted everything to be like it was half a year ago. Her and Ulvhild were really good FGs back then.
Sorry, being friends is not an excuse. By backing her up you harm many players while knowing Alex's mistakes. You kept defending her each time some of us came to you with some problem. Even worse, you were able to find excuse for her, by telling that other people provoked her, and blamed other people. In that message you removed earlier Alex also wrote in the end this
"Also I have authorisation from FWN to forum ban for 5 days anyone who tries to accuse, mock or tarnish the good name of any of the three PB candidates. Something for your... friends... to consider."
No one even tried to accuse, mock or tarnish good (or bad) name of anyone. If someone questions things it doesn't mean they want to insult someone. It was too arbitrary. I guess we all know now who are these friends of mine. She literally threaten them via me with 5 days forum ban for something they didn't even do. Great precautions!

25.06.2020 22:55:49

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25.06.2020 23:07:18
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LillyAnn wrote:
b) You informed her about disliker bots much earlier than the rest of us
sorry if i'm disrupting the conversation but what???? there are random bots that downvote posts??? omfgfdk do u know how much conflict i've witnessed arise in the forums bc people are offended that their neutral posts are being downvoted thats so unbelievable lol

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25.06.2020 23:53:35
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Check this, shop update post, beautiful shop addition - 17 downvotes https://bimbo.land/forum/shop-workers-thread-and-faq/t2261?page=125
go to the next page - 19 downvotes, shop update again, there are more examples but these two are just impressive

Tbh, I can't really swallow the info that bots were random because they didn't behave so randomly. And such amount of dislikes on neutral posts is something I haven't seen in other threads (I don't follow much other threads but I do follow some).



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25.06.2020 23:57:54
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LillyAnn wrote:
Check this, shop update post, beautiful shop addition - 17 downvotes https://bimbo.land/forum/shop-workers-thread-and-faq/t2261?page=125
go to the next page - 19 downvotes, shop update again, there are more examples but these two are just impressive

Tbh, I can't really swallow the info that bots were random because they didn't behave so randomly. And such amount of dislikes on neutral posts is something I haven't seen in other threads (I don't follow much other threads but I do follow some).

i've always been curious about this too! i noticed that so many shop work updates were being downvoted in such large amounts, but it was only particular users. i kept thinking that there was NO way such large numbers of people could hate the items and the specific shopworkers uploading them. 1-4 dislikes is reasonable but like 17??? pretty odd, but i guess you'd never know whether it was bots or actual users because of the anonymity feature. so ur saying u think it's bots but that they're being 'sent' to downvote particular people?

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26.06.2020 00:06:01
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CD has a few of those bots on her list too. Not as many as Pixieee, but they're there. I sent the list of bots to kimsim, he said he would delete them but that hasn't happened yet.
That list is also probably not complete...who knows how many of them are there

26.06.2020 00:06:01
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26.06.2020 02:45:52
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I just noticed this thread and I kinda have to wonder: what is the achievement of a downvoting bot? Does it affect the user status, or do they mean to mess with their heads? 
And if the feature is causing so much trouble, could it be removed without removing the upvote option?

26.06.2020 02:45:52
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26.06.2020 10:13:35
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Anna Wing wrote:
I just noticed this thread and I kinda have to wonder: what is the achievement of a downvoting bot? Does it affect the user status, or do they mean to mess with their heads? 
And if the feature is causing so much trouble, could it be removed without removing the upvote option?
Simply to mess up and create some dramas :) nothing more but immature behavior. 

26.06.2020 10:13:35
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