Appointing future Justice Ministers and justice ministers debate

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03.04.2025 22:06:00
SweetasNuts

Hello Ximboland

So I would like to begin an important debate on the role of the Justice Minister And alo appoint some future ministers for future terms.

By now I think we all realise what an important and difficult position Justice Minister is within our community and so I would appreciate it if we can come together and work out the best way to organise ourselves moving forward.
Firstly thanks very much to the current incumbent in the most difficult role - the right honourable @KatieBoutique.
some background on the role:

So simultaneously to this thread I have also started a thread in the Xemocracy arena with the aim of updating our Ximboland constitution.

It is this constitution as well as Twitters terms of service that the Justice Minister has to use as a guide for them in turn to interpret and establish their own set of termly sub-laws.
Essentially at present we are governed by 4 sets of laws - the UKs laws (where we are based), the Ximboland constitution, Twitters terms of service and the Justice Ministers set of temly (3 months) sub laws.
It is the Justice Ministers role to interpret this complex myriad of laws and then govern Ximboland with the help and support of the other ministers, their appointed fashion police and you the Ximbo public. So as you can see it is a bloody tricky job! No wonder only the bravest of Ximbos are up to the task!

In order to ensure democracy is safe and to keep Ximboland away from the evil of dictatorship like they have in facebookland and twitterland we have integrated a number of 'systems' or 'fail safes' to ensure that we never fall under dictatorship and suffer the same fate as Twitterland =

A government of ministers
3 month terms
The Justice Ministers in position are chosen due to their alternating political influences eg left leaning/rules based governance followed by right leaning/freedom based governance
A political system that is shared governance between Miss Bimbo (admin) and the PX led government (you).  

So the good news is that we can say we are the closest thing in the world and on the internet to a democracy! Hurrah - thanks for your hardwork and help in creating this and getting even this far!
However the bad news is that we have a very complicated and flawed system that is far from perfect and still causes a lot of conflict and headaches for everyone.  

Some problems and issues with the role of Justice Minister in Ximboland -

1) The interpretation of our constitution and the rules set out by the Justice Minister means that one Ximbos justice is another Ximbos oppression.

2) There is no legal framework or recourse to remove the Justice Minister. The Justice minister can only be removed when their 3 month term runs out

3) The position is powerful but lonely. One needs very thick skin to be able to withstand the constant abuse and vitriol that inevitably comes their way. It's not pleasant.

4) Instead of having a dictator indefinitely we now have a system whereby we have a dictator for 3 months. It could be argued that having one single good dictator forever or indefinitely is actually better than a series of bad dictators for 3 months only.

5) Ximboland has come to be defined by whomever is the Justice Minister. This is not right - we are much more than that.

So the tricky question for us to answer is how do we improve this brilliant and unique but flawed system of governance of ours ?
How can we stop this one position from defining the whole of Ximboland?
It is apparent that many people believe Ximboland is defined by whom is the Justice Minister which is not ideal. One potential solution is to limit the communication settings of the Justice Minister ie no pop ups, they can only post in the Xemocracy arena, no dms and nowhere else during the course of their term ie make their role more serious and behind the scenes.,
Anyway I look forward to your ideas

If you wish to be Justice Minister over the next 3 terms can you please message me with your political leaning eg left/rules based governance or right/freedom based governance and I will book you in

Yours in democracy

Sweetasnuts


03.04.2025 22:06:00



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03.04.2025 22:26:37
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It seems that a lot of these issues are due to the weight of this role as a singular role, what if there was a panel of Justice Ministers or an otherwise shared power system of sorts. This would allow for varied representation, a dispersion of responsibility and detriment, and one could say even more fair trials. Besides, compared to the other Ministers, I think its fair to say that the Justice Minister holds a much more impactful, demanding role. This doesn't necessarily have to be a whole panel like I had said, and I don't think that whoever this power is shared amongst need to come to full agreement each for each trial, hell, it could even be shared amongst players, with the option for players to have more power over the final outcome (akin to a jury). This of course had the potential for more conflict, and I'm rather new to Ximboland so if I have stated things that have been considered, done, etc, I apologize. Just offering my own brainstorm as a citizen. Hope we get this figured out!

03.04.2025 22:26:37
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03.04.2025 22:33:07
SweetasNuts

Thanks for your input. Would a panel of justice ministers actually get anything done though?
And how would we stop them falling out and simply acting independently of one another?

tinytatertot
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It seems that a lot of these issues are due to the weight of this role as a singular role, what if there was a panel of Justice Ministers or an otherwise shared power system of sorts. This would allow for varied representation, a dispersion of...


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03.04.2025 22:41:44
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What if there was one justice minister with the power like it currently is, however they must adhere to a panel who have the power to call for the justice minister's removal from the role. This way there is no conflict with who holds the power as the role is still singular, yet if they start veering from the people's interest, this panel of the power, or pressure to keep the justice minister in check. 


03.04.2025 22:41:44

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03.04.2025 22:50:34
SweetasNuts

Hmmm.......interesting.
and if they decide to remove a justice minister then what happens after that? A new one is appointed once again I assume though we would have a void for a short while 
And who would the 'panel' consist of exactly?

Artorius
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What if there was one justice minister with the power like it currently is, however they must adhere to a panel who have the power to call for the justice minister's removal from the role. This way there is no conflict with who holds the power as the...


03.04.2025 22:50:34



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03.04.2025 23:42:36
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What is the role of Miss Bimbo in Ximboland?  
Does she exist even just a little?
all the gains I’ve gotten for you, in just 2 months…
Are they worth anything?
Talk about a lonely job…now even Miss Bimbo doesn’t seem to care.
I thought I was doing an extraordinary job…for her…and you.
But I fear you have only read the flood of reports you’ve gotten against me.
And you haven’t read the hundreds of posts and Xeets I posted…just for you to read.

i’ve been auditioning for you for two years.

Katie

03.04.2025 23:42:36
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Antitheocra
04.04.2025 00:07:57
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Mr. Nuts is planning to hand Ximboland over to the communists? That's kinda funny.

Miss Bimbo is MIA,,,any idea why? Is it the erratic governance that's made her disappear?
Freedom of speech is in effect, things have been pretty calm, and now we're reverting to the clueless left's version of free speech?
What the heck are you thinking, Mr. Nuts?

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04.04.2025 00:57:03
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i'm mr. sweeatsnuts' right hand arm- man. i'm mr. sweetasnuts' everything, i'm his confidant, his best friend... his silly rabbit.
his what?
silly rabbit.
his silly rabbit, is that what he calls you?
no.
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04.04.2025 02:59:35
LittleMissRachie

seems like an elected team of 5-7 people who could take over as MoJ/Fashion Police could easily make votes for situations in which there is no trial. 
this is not XL being "handed over". this is an attempt to make Katie's job easier and the site more democratic. unless you think democracy is communism, in which case see me at the library for tutoring.

04.04.2025 02:59:35
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04.04.2025 05:14:02
Melpomene

Again, it would be a lot easier to tell whether the MoJ/fashion police was doing its job well if there was an established constitution. If the laws were clear (and changed only through an open, public process as required), the MoJ would only have to be in charge of the implementation of justice. There is a good reason the legislative and executive branch do not completely overlap in other democracies.

04.04.2025 05:14:02

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