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16.08.2021 21:33:37
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as someone who has been into depression for 2 years and got out of it, here are my advice to you guys and gals on what worked and what didn't. advice that i figured it on my own without any psychiatrist's help.

Don't go to a psychiatrist. yes, this might seem a strange thing to say but trust me, it's not worth it. the only person who can pull you out of your ditch is you. no one else. they take loads of money form you for things you have heard before and it's a 50-50 chance you might get cured or not. i went to a psychiatrist and it was a horrible experience. going to her everyday felt like i was taking the long dead-man walk. she treated me like how a mother treats her daughter, not like how a doctor treats her patient. half of the things she said i already heard from my parents or read it somewhere online. and she took over 800$ for the entire session and when i couldn't continue the last 2 sessions she didn't even return the money for the 2 sessions remaining. and when i was done with her, i was in a worse state than before i started. but then it hit me. i got myself into this, and only i can pull myself out of it. i know it's EXTREMELY HARD to pull yourself out without anyone's help. but trust me, when you do it, you are gonna feel like a super human who cannot be taken down.

Don't blame others for your shortcomings. for a very long time i blamed others for the things i couldn't do and didn't know. for example, i blamed the lack of jobs in my area as the reason i am jobless. instead, i realized it's only my fault that i don't know how to drive a car so i could go to other places looking for jobs when my area didn't have. another example is, i used to blame my mom's cooking for making me fat. when in actuality, it was only my fault that i had no self control over what i was eating. these are one of the many reasons you spiral down into depression.

Always learn new things. knowledge is the most powerful thing a person can utilize. it can help them get out of any problem and not constantly blame themselves. don't know what a person is saying? learn a new language. can't get a job? learn marketing, learn driving, post on indeed.com. upset about your looks? change it. learn makeup. upset about your obesity? exercise, eat healthy, learn a new sport. don't know how to fix a car? there are million of tutorials online about that. i'd say, start by cleaning your room. it's one of the most famous ways to deal with depression and change something you can easily change.

Feelings aren't the top priority. i have seen this online, everywhere and myself included. people put their feelings as their shield when dealing with anything they encounter. which is why they get frustrated, emotionally broken and knocked down easily. yes your emotions are precious and personal, but sadly the world doesn't revolve around it. it revolves around people who are strong physically and mentally. don't think with your emotions and you will be happier and at peace, trust me.

Accept things you can't change. one of the many reasons we get depressed is because of things we can't change. things like death, old age, not getting that one job. it's ok. it's ok to be old. it's ok to lose someone you love. it's not your fault. it never was. think about it this way. they are at peace now. and you can still change for the better. old age doesn't mean you have to be weak. i have seen old people in their 90s who can lift heavy bags all on their own and also jog around the streets. youth is your soul and your state of mind. yes your body gets old, but it's temporary. soon we will all be healthy and young again in another life. and if you didn't get that job, it simply means it wasn't meant for you. and that something better is just around the corner if you go look for it. never give up.

Falling down is not important. What's important is what's your next step once you rise.

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16.08.2021 22:21:28
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Brilliantly said Carmen! This is extremely straightforward, honest and deep message.

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17.08.2021 00:06:08
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I very much agree with LillyAnn. I do not understand though why LillyAnn’s comment should attract a thumb-down (down vote). LillyAnn was simply showing support for and acknowledging the value of contribution made by another member. There is nothing controversial in what LA said herself so why should her comment attract a thumb-down? This is either a case of victimisation (of LA) or the down voter genuinely disagreed with what was said but that is not clear because a down vote doesn’t come with an explanatory comment. Either way a down vote is unkind. Please take care with down voting in the forums (and especially this forum) because many take offence to it and it adds nothing to the conversation. If anybody has a genuine issue with a comment made or someone else’s behaviour then use the report button, or seek help from the forum moderators / police (or whatever they are currently called) or your minister or PB. Take care of yourself and each other xx

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17.08.2021 00:20:59
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clover carmen wrote:

Don't go to a psychiatrist. yes, this might seem a strange thing to say but trust me, it's not worth it. the only person who can pull you out of your ditch is you. no one else. they take loads of money form you for things you have heard before and it's a 50-50 chance you might get cured or not. i went to a psychiatrist and it was a horrible experience. going to her everyday felt like i was taking the long dead-man walk. she treated me like how a mother treats her daughter, not like how a doctor treats her patient. half of the things she said i already heard from my parents or read it somewhere online. and she took over 800$ for the entire session and when i couldn't continue the last 2 sessions she didn't even return the money for the 2 sessions remaining. and when i was done with her, i was in a worse state than before i started. but then it hit me. i got myself into this, and only i can pull myself out of it. 
It is not my intent to start  fight... 

I do understand that finding good healthcare providers is hard, time consuming,  & expensive. I have shared my own difficulties with finding people who were a good fit. There are people who called me names, people who said I would never feel better, etc.

That said, I don't think it's appropriate to say "Don't go to a psychiatrist" (or psychologist or social worker,  etc.).

I like the psychiatrist I've been seeing for 3 years. (After 7 years of psychiatrists who only saw patients for literally 5 minutes at a time!) He does not provide therapy. He provides medical management. He orders labwork (like checking my hormones, my vitamin levels, even my liver enzymes). He supports the use of a healthy lifestyle (exercise, nutrition) in the treatment of mental health. I am not "cured" after 3 years with him, but I am...different, at least. I don't really believe there is a "cure"...especially depending on what someone's diagnosis is. Symptoms may become more manageable, etc. 

My psychiatrist recently recommended a psychologist (who provides therapy, not medical management). She said something similar to what you said about only you can pull yourself out of depression. She said,  "I can't save you. Only you can save you." But, the difference is that she is offering to be a support person, rather than saying I need to do it entirely alone.

17.08.2021 00:20:59
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17.08.2021 08:11:50
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clover carmen wrote:.

Don't go to a psychiatrist. yes, this might seem a strange thing to say but trust me, it's not worth it. the only person who can pull you out of your ditch is you. no one else. they take loads of money form you for things you have heard before and it's a 50-50 chance you might get cured or not. i went to a psychiatrist and it was a horrible experience. going to her everyday felt like i was taking the long dead-man walk. she treated me like how a mother treats her daughter, not like how a doctor treats her patient. half of the things she said i already heard from my parents or read it somewhere online. and she took over 800$ for the entire session and when i couldn't continue the last 2 sessions she didn't even return the money for the 2 sessions remaining. and when i was done with her, i was in a worse state than before i started. but then it hit me. i got myself into this, and only i can pull myself out of it. i know it's EXTREMELY HARD to pull yourself out
without anyone's help. but trust me, when you do it, you are gonna feel like a super human who cannot be taken down.
I was actually just stopping by here to write something similar to Cinnamon. Advising someone not to seek professional help is foolish at best, dangerous at worst. Everyone is different, and I would like to stress here that mental illness is often chemically-based, meaning it stems from a sick brain.
Advising someone not to go see a doctor for a sick brain is just as dangerous as telling someone not to go to a doctor for any other sick organ.
That being said, you should never be afraid to "shop around" for a professional that fits you, if the one you have now isn't working well, or you feel dissatisfied with the help and service that they are providing. Medical professionals are people, and people all have faults. There will always be people in life that you won't interact well with for whatever reason, and if you encounter one of these people trying to get medical help, it's usually best to find someone else.

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17.08.2021 14:34:45
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Sarahxbunny wrote:
I very much agree with LillyAnn. I do not understand though why LillyAnn’s comment should attract a thumb-down (down vote). LillyAnn was simply showing support for and acknowledging the value of contribution made by another member. There is nothing controversial in what LA said herself so why should her comment attract a thumb-down? This is either a case of victimisation (of LA) or the down voter genuinely disagreed with what was said but that is not clear because a down vote doesn’t come with an explanatory comment. Either way a down vote is unkind. Please take care with down voting in the forums (and especially this forum) because many take offence to it and it adds nothing to the conversation. If anybody has a genuine issue with a comment made or someone else’s behaviour then use the report button, or seek help from the forum moderators / police (or whatever they are currently called) or your minister or PB. Take care of yourself and each other xx
Thank you Sarah! I am glad at least someone understood what was the point, tho I am not really bothered by downvotes, have seen enough of it already ;)

I appreciate Carmen's input because it's very open and first hand experience. Beside that, it's empowering. It literally says 'You can do it!' instead of 'You are a poor victim of circumstances'. Of course, many may not agree with it for one or another reason, perhaps because of different experiences. But this is one of many experiences and so it's valuable. I've heard from other people as well that psychotherapy didn't help them much while it was expensive. Some of them indeed felt better while going to sessions but soon after they stopped things went back to the same and some of the users felt even worse after realizing how much it costed them without bringing long term improvement. Others on the other hand used to feel like they are constantly listen to the same thing over and over again and that it's something they already knew before or realized on their own. Some were not able to afford payed sessions, even they wanted it, so wanted or not they had to deal with their problems on their own. Close friend of mine had a very bad experience with her payed therapist, saying that approach very invasive and made her feel even worse and more disabled to deal with day to day issues so she decided to quit. That being said, experiences vary from person to person, therapists and their approaches are different, what suits one doesn't necessarily fits another, and after all everyone has individual response to given problem or approach.

From the context of Carmen's post, I got an impression that she was talking both about psychiatrists and psychotherapists, since talking sessions are usually in domain of therapist with or without given diagnosis (therapists on their own don't make a diagnosis and can't prescribe meds at least not without insight of psychiatrist), while psychiatrists are there to diagnose, do the necessary tests and prescribe meds. In that sense, this didn't sound like a call for NOT treating yourself if you are sick, but more like a call to be careful about in whose hands you put your health, money, hope, trust, time, you name it, and what to expect out of it. 

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17.08.2021 17:35:20
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guys.... when i say don't go to a psychiatrist, it's not an order. words mean nothing if you don't do it. if you want to go to a psychiatrist, go. if you don't then don't go. it's that simple. i am not forcing anyone to do anything against there will. my words are written, not forced. i am telling you my experience, take it with a grain of salt if you want.
so don't feel "bad" because i wrote something you don't like or because someone got a down-vote. this is what i have been talking about when i say "don't put your emotions as your shield". soon you will feel "depressed" about anything said whether big or small. and life is too much harder and grimmer for that.

i know this forum is a safe space for people with depression. and i don't mean to be blunt or emotionally kick you out of your safe spaces. i am not here to do that. i am here to give you free pointers on how to be strong. because you all deserve to be strong.

all i am saying is, psychiatrists more often drag along your treatment for the sole purpose of getting payed. i know there are good psychiatrists out there. but like i said, it's a 50/50 chance. and the burden of getting cure falls on you more than your psychiatrist. i am not trying to frighten you. i am telling you what's gonna happen so you will be prepared, that's all. so you can't afford to pay for a psychiatrist every time you relapse into depression. that's all i am saying. when you become young adults you will face so many challenging things in life that you have no other choice than to harden your mental, physical and emotional state in order to go on. and that's not bad! it's not bad at all trust me! it's because of these challenges that makes you stronger for tomorrow's unknown.

i am 30 years old and my 20s have been the most challenging, grim and worst years of my life. so i have 10 years experience and i know how the world works. most of you guys are still in your teens. you haven't yet faced the world. and in order for you to do that you have to be strong both mentally and physically. don't use emotions as your shield or you will end up getting upset over everything.

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17.08.2021 20:19:51
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As this is supposed to be a safe place, let's agree to disagree. 

Not all of us are in our teens or even 20s. A fair bit of us are in our 30s. One player identified herself as 52 (which I phrase as that because I can only take her word for it). 

I, personally, actually thought my 20s were pretty good. I had less depression in my 20s. I was more social. I had hopes & dreams & aspirations. I  had more energy. Etc.

17.08.2021 20:19:51
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17.08.2021 20:28:13
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Clarification is key, that's why it's good to have back and forth like this. Clover Carmen, your ideas and suggestions have value, in much the same way that your personal experiences are valid. But when something is unclear and it gets pointed out, either in the form of questions, or comments that point out the confusion others have had, both you and LillyAnn did the right thing in remaining calm and further clarifying your previous statements. Thank you.
My experiences with psychiatry and the professionals involved have been mostly positive, but I was raised to stand up for myself and listen to my instincts, and that means walking away when something doesn't feel right, and getting help elsewhere. Not everyone knows that doing that is even an option, and depending on where you live, it may just not be, so I can absolutely see why it can be easy to get discouraged and give up too. Every time I hear that someone has had a terrible experience with a professional  they are putting their trust in, not only does it make me angry, but it's also upsetting. These people should answer to someone, instead of just paying a bunch of money to the right person who can bury their bad reviews...

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29.08.2021 10:46:59
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Ever since I have become an ''adult'' and entered the academic life, there are moments I feel nothing but jealousy and envy towards people and uni friends who get praised more, get more attention or get better chances in life because they have contacts or something like that. I study something that requires to constantly pump out creative ideas but i'm kind of feeling burned out since i graduated hs. I don't know why I feel like this. I don't act out on it but I know it's so horrible to feel like that. Like why would I as a friend be jealous of my kind, lovely friends who deserve it???. I think i'm better than years ago but I still get random time periods where I just idk I can't function? and feel like everything is complete sh*t or I feel on top of the world. But I am free from self harm for a few weeks so i think that's nice but I still probably need therapy or just to a psychologist because I have never been diagnosed (idk my parents were against that). Also what's up with the random over-sensitivity to sounds. I feel like this post is jumbled up but hey.

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