State Ministers discussion - what should we do? | Page 4

MissKaika

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13.12.2021 13:08:49
MissKaika

heartmarch wrote:

Yeah I was definitely shocked with how little power a state minister had when I was elected. I think a good set of upgrades would look like: ability to ban people only in your state, ability to gift people only in your state without a paywall, availability to be a shop worker during your term

i think giving people more incentive to pay for senator to run for SM means more people running and better elections. it's a pay to play role at the end of the day

Yes, it would be amazing as a Minister of State to be able to establish a court and, as a result, ban the "robot" accounts.
It was so good when you had that, "Cut, Defend, Jurors, Evidence, Vote, and Sentence"

As you guys just arrived, you didn't get to that stage.
Many robot accounts were banned precisely, there was only the original account, with the sentence not to create new accounts, which could be banned altogether.

13.12.2021 13:08:49

LillyAnn

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13.12.2021 14:15:50
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Antoinette Fah wrote:

I feel like there's some kind of language barrier or you aren't reading my entire comment.... I'd appreciate if you did, it's what I do.

I said this about my edit: "I initially agreed with the shopkeeper idea bcuz I thought the shopkeepers were unable to keep up with their workload and that's why it's taken a while for designers I know to get their items added, not cuz of the user that suggested it."

I edited my original comment because you said shopkeepers didn't need help so there's no point to say I agreed with heartmarch. I don't get why it's weird I agreed with someone not in my state. You agreed with Sandi's idea about inactive accounts, why aren't you in antitheocra, did you click the wrong state? Or you just agreed with someone's good suggestion because that's a normal thing to do. I can see past State borders... Guess I'm just progressive XD

I'll be interested to see what kind of ideas they have, hopefully they can see something we missed.

Also just in case people get suspicious, I havent downvoted any comment in this forum. Genuinely trying to discuss.

I read very carefully, don't worry about that. Actually I enjoy reading long posts that have content and substance, and putting some thoughts into them, considering opinions and options, etc.

In your initial post (the edited part), you clearly stated that Heartmarch, not any other SM, could be a secretary for Shop Workers and takes care of 'floating' pixels. I assume that what you call floating pixels is the same thing I call wild or stray pixels. My reply was to that part. It is ok, you are new and think that SMs could have bigger role in shop affairs. But you spoke about Heart as a shop secretary specifically. Which made me wondering why not suggesting Blecky who is your SM for that task/role, instead of Reasonopia's SM. From that came an idea that maybe you wished you were joined Reasonopia and having Heart as SM, instead of joining Atheista with Blecky as SM.

You know, speaking from the side of basic decency, favoring one SM over other SMs may come as uncomfortable for the rest, especially for your own SM who is very active and involved, not only now when she is SM, she's been like that even before. And she is giving her best to mend to losses Atheista suffered under inactive SM. It is about showing some basic respect toward the efforts SMs make, nothing else.

Me agreeing with Sandi - yes, I did and still do agree with his idea, and I am happy that idea come to realization. But it was not favoring Sandi over my SM or any other. All SMs and senators who were candidates in SM elections suffered from the fact that inactive senators used to end up in the poll by default. To be more on point, it's not that only they suffered because of that, but also PB who didn't have complete team, citizens from these states and even FP. It was a global BL issue which affected everyone who is active. And my sympathies indeed went to Sandi and all active senators who have ever lost elections because of inactive participants and/or bots.

That makes the huge difference between your and my statements. We were talking back then what could be good for all SMs (and the rest active players involved together with BL overall as a game) and not what could be good for only one SM and only one group of players without considering how it may affect the whole game.

Hope it's clear now.

I appreciate you are being levelheaded and not downvoting other comments. It is always refreshing seeing those who are capable to deal with disagreements and different opinions. <3

13.12.2021 14:15:50

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misogynist

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13.12.2021 15:13:20
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I think something that would clear up this confusion is an explanation of the different PH members tools. Dye explained SM tools in the original post here, but most users probably do not know the extent of the other positions tools and responsibilities. Honestly this is something I've been wanting for a very long time, I think it would be good to have in a pinned post in the forum similar to forum rules, as well as on the wiki. I think having that understanding of what all the positions offer may also encourage more people to run for those positions. If you don't know what the responsibilities of the job you're applying for are, you probably won't apply right?

Back to the original topic at hand, I think it is difficult to come up with new responsibilities for SMs without introducing new game mechanics entirely. It seems to me that most things are covered by the different positions which is why we are all struggling to come up with new ideas. I could propose that since SMs are elected by the citizens they could be able to elect citizens from their state to certain tasks within the state, like "Secretary of Fashion Contests" responsible for organizing state contests. However, I don't really like this idea, it would feel like "taking away" from SMs despite technically giving them a new responsibility of electing state members. The only other suggestion I could make would be to look into rebalancing the powers divided between PH members, which I feel would be unpopular but perhaps necessary to consider. It's also important to remember that in theory any changes made could be reversed if found to be unsuccessful or generally disliked :)

13.12.2021 15:13:20

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LillyAnn

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13.12.2021 15:32:28
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I actually like to idea to be able to pick one member from my state who is going to be like a helping hand. That was one of the ideas from my SM program so I would like to see how it could work. Ofc, that player won't receive some notifications since they go with the role. But if happens that I am on the road for a few days and not able to reply to some posts or set the new thread for instance, that player may jump in. Guess it could give more importance to citizens as well since it is not all about us SMs.

Also, being able to reward in some way active citizens and senators from the state seems like something that could be appealing.

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