LGBT+ Secretaries

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17.02.2021 22:06:32
kujojotaro

^^^^ Following this thread this closely and downvoting everything within seconds is fan behavior
Instead of trying to make us feel bad with digital thumbs-downs on a thread, maybe actually communicate with us. We're bringing up legitimate concerns whether you like it or not
Edit: And if it isn't staff that're downvoting these posts, can you guys work with us and figure out who's doing it? The rule against homo/transphobia is literally at the top of the forums' rules.

"1. Treat everyone with respect, no matter who or what they are. Do not slander or spread lies about another person or a group. Insults, personal attacks, appropriation, discriminatory language or any kind of language that incites hatred or violence towards any single person or a group of people, or promotes hateful views or violence towards that group or a person, or otherwise deemed offensive by the staff will NOT be tolerated even if they are supposed to be a joke. This includes but is not limited to discrimination on the basis of:

Gender and Gender Identity – No sexism, transphobia, misogyny, transmisogyny, misandry, discrimination towards non-binary people, or discrimination against intersex people.

Sexual Orientation – No homophobia, biphobia or discrimination towards any part of the LGBTQ+ community."



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17.02.2021 22:19:10
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G0thBimb00 wrote:
We definitely need a trans person to elect as well as anyone else who identifies as not-straight. Most important thing to include is trans POC as well
I agree- LGBT+ people of color should take up at least a few spots on a secretary team composed of 3-4 members. We should also decide on exactly how many members of the team there should be, since "3-4" is pretty vague.

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17.02.2021 22:23:59
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The more the better, to avoid tokenization. Ideally they should match the numbers of FGs, but I know that someone will claim that that’s “too much.” 

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17.02.2021 22:25:07
draculaura

Dean Winchester wrote:
I’d love to have an lgbt secretary but it would need to be a position filled by at least three separate people. A gay cis man isn’t gonna have the same worldview as a trans lesbian for example. There should be multiple points of view so as many aspects of the lgbt community can be represented and the community members can feel safe in their knowledge that they have members from their own community representing them. This would also help prevent what happened to origin to happening to a new lgbt secretary. They would have backup from the other lgbt secretaries. As for duties? Their job would be to talk to the lgbt community on here and make sure they aren’t getting discriminated against and giving the community on here a bigger voice. 

Yes, that is specifically why I mentioned having multiple as opposed to just having one, like it's been in the past. We need a team of different people who can discuss things with each other as well as the LGBT+ community on Bimboland. One secretary would not have the insight of multiple different people with different races, identities, etc. and therefore would not be a very good representative for all of us.

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17.02.2021 22:26:32
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kujojotaro wrote:
^^^^ Following this thread this closely and downvoting everything within seconds is fan behavior
Instead of trying to make us feel bad with digital thumbs-downs on a thread, maybe actually communicate with us. We're bringing up legitimate concerns whether you like it or not
Edit: And if it isn't staff that're downvoting these posts, can you guys work with us and figure out who's doing it? The rule against homo/transphobia is literally at the top of the forums' rules.

"1. Treat everyone with respect, no matter who or what they are. Do not slander or spread lies about another person or a group. Insults, personal attacks, appropriation, discriminatory language or any kind of language that incites hatred or violence towards any single person or a group of people, or promotes hateful views or violence towards that group or a person, or otherwise deemed offensive by the staff will NOT be tolerated even if they are supposed to be a joke. This includes but is not limited to discrimination on the basis of:

Gender and Gender Identity – No sexism, transphobia, misogyny, transmisogyny, misandry, discrimination towards non-binary people, or discrimination against intersex people.

Sexual Orientation – No homophobia, biphobia or discrimination towards any part of the LGBTQ+ community."


agreed ^^

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17.02.2021 22:27:34
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miesha wrote:
The more the better, to avoid tokenization. Ideally they should match the numbers of FGs, but I know that someone will claim that that’s “too much.” 
exactly

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17.02.2021 22:34:06
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I also want to ask about views again- others may have different needs, but I would not want to elect someone who is a transmedicalist onto the team of secretaries. I understand that being trans is different for everyone, however, the idea that a trans person must have specific feelings of dysphoria, must want specific pronouns, etc. in order to be trans is very harmful to trans people because we all experience our lives differently. I also would not want to elect anyone who thinks people of color don't have their own unique experiences with being LGBT+ due to the intersection of racism and homophobia and/or transphobia. 

What views do others think are necessary to have or to not have?

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17.02.2021 22:37:42
miesha

I’d like someone who just isn’t against their own community. For example, someone who’s pro-neopronouns, not transmed, doesn’t police identities, literally just someone who wouldn’t act the same as any other cishet. It’s also not that hard to find someone like this on here. 

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17.02.2021 22:42:05
draculaura

miesha wrote:
I’d like someone who just isn’t against their own community. For example, someone who’s pro-neopronouns, not transmed, doesn’t police identities, literally just someone who wouldn’t act the same as any other cishet. It’s also not that hard to find someone like this on here. 
True, I've seen plenty of other LGBT+ people on here like what you're describing, but I think it's still important to specify things like that because it helps others take that into consideration while choosing appropriate candidates

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17.02.2021 23:20:44
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torrenoia wrote:
Dean Winchester wrote:
I’d love to have an lgbt secretary but it would need to be a position filled by at least three separate people. A gay cis man isn’t gonna have the same worldview as a trans lesbian for example. There should be multiple points of view so as many aspects of the lgbt community can be represented and the community members can feel safe in their knowledge that they have members from their own community representing them. This would also help prevent what happened to origin to happening to a new lgbt secretary. They would have backup from the other lgbt secretaries. As for duties? Their job would be to talk to the lgbt community on here and make sure they aren’t getting discriminated against and giving the community on here a bigger voice. 

How they would be elected.
Anyone who wanted to be an lgbt secretary would apply and write a letter to the general bimboland public about why they should be one of the secretaries. These letters would be posted in a forum, much like minister elections, for the general public to see. HOWEVER. Votes would be counted by the likes on the candidates letters to the public. Dislikes will not count against them. You can vote for 4-5 lgbt secretaries. 
i do like the sound of this idea. i definitely think that more important positions on this site should have community input in the future instead of just having staff voting on who they like best. id love having more lgbt secretaries bc a lot of friends of mine who are lgbt have been getting in trouble for seemingly random things, only being told what theyve done wrong after theyve been jailed or after asking off site. that is at least how i see it, and i feel like the environment in general has become very toxic on the forums and its made a lot of my friends not want to play the game anymore :(
yes exactly! I’m hoping that by having multiple secretaries this would help with people feeling unsafe. I also have a couple of ideas to help with communication between the pink house and the user base. People would be able to feel like they can safely talk to the lgbt secretaries about lgbt concerns and ideally most if not all minority groups would have someone in the pink house they feel safe talking to about concerns relating to discrimination.

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