Ximboland democracy failures and how to address it

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01.12.2023

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Miss Bimbo

Blecky89

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04.12.2023 16:49:02
Blecky89

With all my respect did you read my post ?
All players that was banned was banned based on ToS rules - There can be one acount for player and you need to be 18+.
Plus you need to know more about your previous PB's most of them was more right leaning.
As for discusions with oposing views there just recently was a serious discusions about Palestine and Israel. Aks those players did any of those posts got edited ? No! I was the one that actually made that thread so that people can have a place to discuss the topic they are intrested in while at the same time dose who don't want to deal with it can stay away if that's what they choose to.
Thank you for saying you appreciate the job I do but the points you say about me as a PB makes it sound otherwise.

04.12.2023 16:49:02

Ozymandius

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04.12.2023 16:57:09
Ozymandius

Miss Bimbo wrote:

Yes I do. Freedom of speech is worth defending at all costs. What is liberty without the freedom to speak our minds? Elon Musk is a hero for defending freedom of speech and creating a place that facilitates freedom of speech safe from the over moderation that exists everywhere else on the internet. We must be careful lest we lose our freedom of speech under the guise of 'hate speech'

"Elon Musk is a hero for defending freedom of speech and creating a place that facilitates freedom of speech safe from the over moderation that exists everywhere else on the internet" elon musk is a racist, transphobic dickhead who turned twitter into a safe haven for literal nazis who pose death threats against childrens hospitals. you are actively shooting yourself in not just the foot but the face if you attempt to emulate elon musks twitter takeover whatsoever. Elon musk admitted to hemmoraging more than 4 million dollars a day for the first month he owned twitter.

Source:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-says-twitter-loses-4-million-dollars-...

He lost the valuation he bought the website for in 10 days. How much is this website worth? Are you prepared to lose all that money?

Plus i bet you like that ad revenue you get? Kiss it goodbye, the only ads on twitter now are scams or user purchased to spread hate speech and suck elons dick and considering users cant buy ads on this site that bones you. Also people saying they havent run against the PB bc its expensive and because they think theyre doing a good job isnt "making excuses" its activitely engaging with this thread by giving you ANSWERS youre too stubborn to listen to because youve convinced yourself you know everything while actively working against what you say youd want. And $5 a month IS a lot of money to pay monthly to be ""in charge"" of a dress up game especially bc you dont have the option to stop paying for a month or two if elected and you i just saw somebody say you have to pay for contest prizes as a leader anyway?!? Thats not even fair i genuinely assumed the prizes were comped. If you want true democracy elections and elected positions will be open to EVERYONE and saying only serious players would pay therefore only serious people would run doesnt make sense bc why would they run if they didnt intend to lead? We could even elect vices or whoever gets the 2nd most votes could be the vice just in case the state minister or pb had something coms up where they couldnt lead. But you electing yourself and doing whever you want to live out yr red pill fantasy is pathetic. Honestly not even the wiki lists what the prime bimbo even DOES so how do you expect people to pay to run for a position where they dont know what theyre going to do besides run contests and pay for prizes? They can do that as an SM. Thats not censoring people who want to run. Running without opposition is honestly proof theres no censorship happening bc if there was the PB would have remained the same person while TONS of right wingers ran and you keep saying the PB is running unapposed so whos being censored if nobodys running? Right wingers are free to put their opinions on their profile and engage in debates the same as everyone else yet i have never seen a right wing opinion in the debates window because THEY dont participate not because their posts are being censored. Right wingers are welcome to open forum posts to talk about anything they want same as anyone else, nobody needs the prime ximbo to align w their views to give their party a political voice bc your site will still be majority left leaning at the end of the day. Are you still going to be complaining when you forcibly appoint yourself pb and the posts w the most traction in the forum is ppl counting up bc thats what they want to do for their badges? Lets say right wingers chime in more abt debates, are you going to claim censorship when they lose bc theyre statistically outnumbered?

What SPECIFIC viewpoints are you hoping right wingers will be able to talk about that they cant now? Theyre free to talk about guns, money, religion, abortion etc freely and you say you dont want freedom of speech to be lost under the guise of hate speech can you give us a clear example of something someone would consider hate speech that will be allowed on this website? Hate speech is general defined as "public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation" so youre saying youd like to allow threats of violence? Or youre saying that youd like to allow people to voice hate and dislike for different people just for being different? I think we all need very clear cut examples of the kind of right wing opinions youd like to foster bc they dont sound like economic conservatism they sound like red pill nonsense like newsflash elon musk isnt going to play yr literally gay dress up game and he would hate the ppl who do.

04.12.2023 16:57:09

Marie Hilton

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04.12.2023 17:06:50
Marie Hilton

Miss Bimbo wrote:

I never ever agreed with vanning HLB
That was a huge mistake in my opinion and I would bring her back in a heartbeat. Yes she was unique and yes she said some rude, ill judged and inflammatory things but a free society tolerates those things and ideas and debates then - it does not banish them. She never threatened violence or legitimately posed a danger to anyone and so its is shameful that we banned her in my opinion

isn't she also the one who exposed that demanding things for the democracy/Bimboland is not what you want ?

04.12.2023 17:06:50

KirstyD8

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04.12.2023 17:13:01
KirstyD8

So we may have a solution for elections, go back to the old system and any senators can run. All we can do is see if it works this way instead only being the present SMs being able to run.

"We are in the middle of Blecky term. Any rule changes are up the current government and not for us to wade in. My suggestions are merely what I will do when I am in power"
^^ This was not what you implied. It came across as new rules was needed now and all of us was left in the dark about when and what these new rules were.

Unbanning of players. I don't care if HLB get unbanned, i myself was surprised when it happened.
In your 1st forum thread:
" Being as we are now an adult site then the content and rules have been relaxed from what they were when many people were banned. Therefore I am enacting a President's amnesty for banned Ximbos whom were banned under rules that were in place prior to our change of direction"
This came across as you was going to start unbanning players that have harmed the site such as cowboys gang and as you can see how you mentioned the rules.

"As long as not insulting? The freedom to insult others is an important freedom to defend."
So its okay to say horrible things if its freedom of speach? No, freedom of speach doesn't mean you can be a straight up arsehole to others or insult them and that is not okay. I'll break it down a little so you can understand by what i mean, for example using a rasict word/comment as an insult or humilate someone. etc.

" Yes it is. All adults on thsi site can afford the £20 or so its costs to be PB"
Is that only for senatorship? What about all the money they speand on prizes. I think this is something you need to talk to PB and SMs about because they would highly disagree with you.

"Thats a cop out. Are they perfect? No of course not - so lets challenge them to do better"
That statement is a cop out. Want more people intersted make it more enticing for the work load they do.

04.12.2023 17:13:01

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CrystalWitch

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04.12.2023 17:22:51
CrystalWitch

Miss Bimbo wrote:

...
If no one stands against the incumbent prime ximbo then I will automatically be installed as Prime Ximbo for 1 term.
So I will be president and Prime ximbo for 1 term and until there are at least 2 proper healthy candidates vying for power.

Secondly I am going to foster a more left-right political axis in Ximboland by installing myself as Prime Ximbo every 3rd term until such a time when democracy is thriving.

Miss bimbo, I'm going to repeat my suggestion that you participate in the election. Run for office instead of just installing yourself as Prime Ximbo. Be the second proper healthy candidate that you are looking for.

If you install yourself into power, that's a dictatorship.

I'm a new player. I'm considering the option of paying money to become a senator. I will not pay to be part of a dictatorship.

04.12.2023 17:22:51

bxdcherri

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04.12.2023 17:53:58
bxdcherri

As State Minister of Reasonopia, I am proud of my job. I'm proud of the effort I put in to making my state (and others) enjoy the site. I'm proud of the other State Ministers doing their part for their states as well. I'm proud of PB and the Devs for implementing so many good updates into the game during Bleckys term.

Miss Bimbo, you've clearly demonstrated that the site needs to be more political, more like an IRL democracy. I see no reason why the userbase should oppose that idea. I believe it's how the idea is being presented. A working democracy NEEDS two sides for it to be classed as a democracy right? If everyone is on the same side, then technically it's a dictatorship. So, how can we combat this?

Firstly, I believe users are more interested in other aspects of the game, which is taking their attention away from the main point of XL, which is to be an Internet Republic. Secondly, you mentioned in your other forum post that we could do with some more revenue coming into the site, which I agree with. Instead of throwing points at one another an ultimately ignoring each other, lets try to compromise.

Miss Bimbo, you want users to spend more money on the site, so give us something more to pay for. I don't think any of us like the idea of a subscription like onlyfans on the site. Quite frankly, non of us have anything interesting to put on the site that would warrant a pay wall, and non of us are interested in paying to see other peoples posts either. I truly feel like this is a waste of the developers time. I think a better way to get more paying members is to have more benefits to being a senator. Here are some of the suggestions compiled, with my own input as well.

1) A Player home you can decorate. This can be a SENATOR ONLY part of the site. You want a pretty house? You have to pay for it. Seems a bit scummy, but that's business. I also know plenty of users who would be interested in paying for this feature. The new live chat feature can also be implemented here, where you can invite people over and then chat with them live. This also helps keep users on the site for longer periods, rather than having them communicate on other social media platforms. Being invited to someone's house is free, you just cant have your own home or host your own "parties" without being a paying member.

2) A player pet. Pretty much the same as before, a pet you can look after, perhaps dress up, which you also have to be a paying member for.
These two features have already been mentioned, and putting them behind a paywall will increase the number of senators in the game. With increased senators, that's more of a pool for potential SMs and also Prime Bimbos. Now that there's more senators, Prime Bimbo is getting more money, meaning more incentive for those senators to then run for PB.

With a more active and engaged userbase, then people may be more interested in focusing on political aspects. Now that there's more people running for PB, ultimately you will have opposing views come election day. Another point I would like to add is if players are interested in becoming PB with the current state of our republic, the incentive just isn't strong enough. Not just because of money, but also because we KNOW that PB will eventually HAVE to step down, so why not just...wait? To combat this issue we could perhaps reintroduce the idea of having no limit on PB terms. This may give people more of an incentive to actually run AGAINST them, else they'll just wait until its their turn.Things that need to be addressed here as well, is that we already struggle to find new state ministers as well as PBs. When Lilly stepped down from PB, I remember people panicking because it appeared no body wanted to run. If not ONE person wants to run, how are you going to encourage more than that? The answer isn't because of politics, it's to do with site engagement. What makes the site FUN. What is making people play the game? What is bringing in NEW players. Do we even advertise Ximboland?

Onto the topic of bans, I agree no PB or SM or FP or Shopworker should have ever been banned. Unless actual threats were said, "hurty words" as you put it are fine. That being said, these players should NOT be immune from the rules (that goes for admins too) and need to be held accountable for their actions. I was not around when a lot of these bans were taken place, so I cannot vouch for their actions being "hurty" and not outright harmful, so you would have to do some research into that yourself, perhaps alongside FP members and PB, since they have been far more active on the site than yourself around those time periods so they would know more details about that.

To sum up, getting a more involved player base will be the key to getting more interest in PB and the other positions. Things have been looking up recently with the updates, but these are some things we have been begging for for YEARS at this point. If more time went into developing the site, more players would have fun here, be more inclined to get involved in what makes XL unique. Unfortunately when running for PB, currently it isn't a case of what your political beliefs are, it's a case of what updates and activities you will bring to the site. Once that issue is resolved, I believe we will see a democracy flourish, because players will bring their attention back to the politics of the site. It's a win win for all of us.

04.12.2023 17:53:58

KirstyD8

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04.12.2023 18:01:49
KirstyD8

1) Dont ban people unless they present a clearly a physical real life danger
So people shouldn't be banned for hacking or trying to get rid of this site? Because people have tried.

2) Dont over moderate and dont close threads - let them roll and let argument take its course. If someone's feelings are hurt - well thats part of life. We are adults here and not children after all.
Oh, look this was allowed to go on i wonder why? Oh, because people in this one acted like adults and wasn't insulting people and not acting like children. - https://ximbo.land/forum/serious-talk-reputation-points-helping-thread/t14023

3) Encourage others to debate subjects of all manner even if there are opinions that you disagree with from across the political divide
Check out link above. Plus this is a dress up site people want to come on here and do that and forget about the real world. Not everyone wants to be in debates all the time or at alll because you know, dress up site.

04.12.2023 18:01:49

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LillyAnn

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04.12.2023 18:07:55
LillyAnn

I want Elon Musk to marry me. I am righty bimbo and like righty rich men. Beside that, I like how botox sits perfectly on Elon's pretty face, just proves he takes good care of himself and makes him a perfect candidate. Therefore, I am placing an ad here. Only extremely rich, super-straight alpha male righties are welcome to apply for marrying me. Then, we are going to have democratic elections with multiple polls and vote for Mr. Right.

And then, we will challenge him, because he cannot be perfect and throw another election. All problems solved!

04.12.2023 18:07:55

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Gemima1984

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04.12.2023 18:55:30
Gemima1984

I think bxdcherri, Crystalwitch and KirstyD8 make some excellent points and I think the site owner would really benefit from considering them and then listening to and engaging with the userbase.

There's also nothing stopping the site owner from making forum topics on the things he think should be discussed on this site and engaging with them as he wishes. It would probably be helpful for Chris to spend some time on the forums and getting to know the culture so that informed proposals on changes could be made going forward.

04.12.2023 18:55:30

AuntieLice

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04.12.2023 21:21:02
AuntieLice

bxdcherri wrote:

I just wanna say (and I’m quite scared to admit this) but I would say I lean more towards the right then left. However, that DOES NOT mean I hate LGBTQ, wish death upon anyone who is different, think everything should be “back like it was” etc etc. That is an extreme right view and I just need to say that not every right leaning playing thinks that way. We do exist on the site, we are just quiet about our political views, because we don’t want to cause arguments. Or at least that’s how it is for me. Also please take into account that this site is based in Europe, Miss Bimbo being from the UK. The UK right side is FAR less extreme than the US right side. I’d also like to note that quite frankly I don’t give a fuck about politics because at the end of the day every government is ran by corrupt people forcing their own narrative, which sounds similar to what you yourself are trying to do now. The reason why I’ve never ran for PB is because the current PB is doing a great job already, why try to oppose that? I’d rather just wait until her terms have finished, which is what I’m planning to do. We have a lovely community here that people don’t want to disrupt the flow of, there’s nothing wrong with that. We have a working democracy here, just because we aren’t fighting doesn’t mean we don’t have freedom of speech. I’d also like to add that I, as an SM, have a job to do. I put work into this site. You don’t pay me for that. In fact, I pay YOU for that. I’ve never heard of a real country doing that. Do the developers and admins of the site have to pay you as well? No. Because they’re recognised as employees. We should also be valued. Then maybe we’d be more interested in running the site for you. At the end of day, if FP, shop designers, PB, and SM, all the volunteers of this site got removed, who would you be left with? Do you still think you would have players? It’s not about being “the wrong kind of selfish”. It’s about paying rent and not being exploited

Not surprised you would be scared to admit this when we have had so many different groups of players on this website working their hardest to create that atmosphere. The problem isn't even with the staff, it's with the players who usually discover Ximboland from places like Tumblr or that viral Izzy video and then make accounts here (usually several per player) and start demanding that this website turns into their safe space. Over the years, plenty of members, even left wing ones, have stopped posting on the forum because everyone who is not absolutely far left gets called a TERF, a neo-nazi, a Trump stan etc. Of course, these people are by far the loudest so the ongoing narrative is that all the issues on the forum are thanks to me, Butterfly (even if every single time they go out of their way to start shit with us on our profiles or on the forum), Chris, Mariolka or Prime Bimbos they hated like LillyAnn or Dye who got called transphobic, racist, homophobic etc. dictators for banning people who had multiple accounts.

It's laughable that the same people who want everyone they dislike to get banned and write delusional manifestos about overtaking the Ximboland government are the ones crying about the freedom of speech and acting like they are being bullied and harassed. Same people who will mass report the most random posts from people they dislike are also acting like they are being silenced.

04.12.2023 21:21:02

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