my opinion on transitioning

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07.04.2024 09:38:04
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And yet there is a climate of 'if you don't conform to stereotypical gender norms you are trans!'

Data on one or the other side is what doesn't matter anymore to me, because I can see what in happening in American society 
Listen, there are parents who are transitioning children because they don't like carse or dolls
I remember watching some parents of a young child saying 'yeah, she started showing signs of being trans since she was around two years old'
Guess what proof they had?
This 'girl' or rather son had an older sister and liked playing dress up with her and said he is a girl. Literally that was their evidence 
'B-b-but he said he was a girl!'
Yeah, cause kids his age are thinking if they like boy things they are a boy and girls if they like girly things'
Nowadays this all trans shit is viewed as something fun, quirky almost. Listen, I could even write an whole fucking essay about Tiktok to trans pipeline. It will be hard since English isn't even my second language, but I have thr balls to do it. Just not the energy.
I'm really tired of this shit, I really am.
I'm bisexual. And I share Bimbo_Pimp opinions. I was woke when I was younger. Nowadays I'm disgusted with basically everyone and everything, I'm tired of all these games. So if you want to call me a conservative, try something different.

As I said, being trans is something cool and fun today. But it isn't. A few years ago being gay or bisexual or shit was cool. But now it's not enough.
You are nonbinary? WOOOAH *0*
It's CRAZY how many young kids and teens think they are nonbinary or trans because they are not girly or masculine enough. For me being nonbinary is not understanding that you can be masculine as a woman and feminine as a man. Or that you can have both of these feelings and traits and that doesn't change who you are
Being trans is not being trans anymore. It's a social phenomenon. All those 'trans people' have nothing to do with real trans people. And about social contagion theory?
Look on TikTok. People making videos titled 'how can you recognize you are trans?' and then saying 'you are a girl and like other girls or masculine things'. Or another creator behaving like a child so kids will listen to them so they can share their agenda and influence them
Jeffrey Marsh is also one of the example of TikTok to trans pipeline. And I HOPE someone will check his background and PC because this Man wants to speak to the kids and to be honest he scares me. Me, a grown woman. He is like a predator who created a perfect disguise, but you can see sometimes he looses control in a very ugly way
It's all about how society is being influenced by this so-called 'trans stuff'
Nowadays in America you can literally commit a crime, claim you are trans and have smaller sentence. 
Someone used wrong pronouns by mistake? THROW A TANTRUM, CANCEL THEIR WHOLE LIFE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE A REGULAR, NOT A PUBLIC PERSON, LET YOUR FOLLOWERS DOXX AND THREATEN THEM
it's sick. Schools are socially transitioning children behinf their parents backs. There are some cases. You can't and won't deny IT.
Lesbians and gays are called transphobic because they won't suck a dick or eat a pussy. People are being fired because they used wrong pronouns. Children and teens wanting to be cool claiming they are nonbinary because being nonbinary is all about the looks. That's the truth. Being nonbinary is all about how someone perceives you, about external validation. About annoying people and having them apologize to you. I saw this time and time again. It's tiring
I have many things I want to say but I don't have time and (as I said before, sorry for repeating myself) English isn't my first language, so I would probably spend like 2-3 hours if I wanted to write more. I'm proud of myself that I can freely talk and write on English, but I'm not used to longer forms and sometimes I make bigger mistakes and get lost
And please, don't call us cis women. We are WOMEN. Why are women always silenced for saying that? It's pure misogyny
I want to make a bigger thread on this-proper, without any frustration, keep it cool and proffesional. And I know I'm not alone. There are some things I want to say because I believe they need to be said. If someone wants to help me or supports me, just DM


You don't agree?-DM me, just because we don't agree doesn't mean I have anything towards you as a person

Sorry if I was too aggressive-I'm just frustrated with what's going on lately ._.

07.04.2024 09:38:04

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07.04.2024 10:08:22
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ButterfIy wrote:
It’s almost as if detransitioners lose: their jobs for being “transphobic”, their trans friends for being “transphobic”, and the support of the tqia+ community for, you guessed it, being “transphobic” if they come forward with their stories. A very crazy concept, isn’t it?

And yes, of course it’s a flex for them to induct minors into their ranks. A haphazardly thrown together study linked by iona a few days ago literally observed children as young as 3 years old being considered “transgender” in their study. You really can’t NOT laugh.
People who lost weight and started to take care of their health were kicked out of body negativity movement and support groups and public shamed
It is disgusting and unacceptable!
Fat and trans and teh rest on rainbow specter terrorists are teh threat for humanity as they want to make everyone fat, trans, sexless and genderless and form FaTQIA+ society while profiting on their fat, trans and qia+ privileges
That is not acceptable and we shall not allow it

07.04.2024 10:08:22
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07.04.2024 11:08:22
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I live in Scotland and if y’all didn’t know there’s a new law which pretends to protect trans people but instead it just shuts down anyone who isn’t blindly supporting the transgenderism movement. It’s literally a crime for me to say that I don’t agree with the trans movement and what it stands for which in my opinion is pretty totalitarian and seems more ‘facist’ than anything which I thought the ultra leftist transgenders were supposed to be against. This is what I mean when I say the trans movement has looped around, because the same people who claim to hate ‘facist nazi scum’ (aka anyone who doesn’t agree with the trans movement) literally become the next facists and criminalise anyone who doesn’t believe exactly what they believe. They’re only interested in facist techniques when they’re in power which is honestly very narcissistic and disgusting, which makes sense as the trans movement actually hinders people’s introspection. Like, why put in the effort to figure out who you are when you can just go into the trans movement and find a community of emotionally stunted people like you? I also go to college, I’m in an art course right now and 5 people in my class identify as some sort of trans. I really doubt of a class of 13 would genuinely have 5 transgender people, I mean sure I think art courses can attract more quirky types who would have more of a predisposition to identify within the trans movement but I seriously doubt a disorder as rare as gender dysphoria would be affecting most half of the students. Also, the fact that they all parade around the fact they’re autistic, which I’m not saying they do or don’t but I find it very interesting how all of the trans identified people have some sort of other condition. Some are even non-binary, and if I do not affirm this delusion and call them they/them I will literally be kicked out of my course, because it’s ‘hateful’ to acknowledge biological truth, it’s so stupid.

07.04.2024 11:08:22
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07.04.2024 13:15:08
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Candy_Bitch wrote:
And yet there is a climate of 'if you don't conform to stereotypical gender norms you are trans!'

Data on one or the other side is what doesn't matter anymore to me, because I can see what in happening in American society 
Listen, there are parents who are transitioning children because they don't like carse or dolls
I remember watching some parents of a young child saying 'yeah, she started showing signs of being trans since she was around two years old'
Guess what proof they had?
This 'girl' or rather son had an older sister and liked playing dress up with her and said he is a girl. Literally that was their evidence 
'B-b-but he said he was a girl!'
Yeah, cause kids his age are thinking if they like boy things they are a boy and girls if they like girly things'
Nowadays this all trans shit is viewed as something fun, quirky almost. Listen, I could even write an whole fucking essay about Tiktok to trans pipeline. It will be hard since English isn't even my second language, but I have thr balls to do it. Just not the energy.
I'm really tired of this shit, I really am.
I'm bisexual. And I share Bimbo_Pimp opinions. I was woke when I was younger. Nowadays I'm disgusted with basically everyone and everything, I'm tired of all these games. So if you want to call me a conservative, try something different.

As I said, being trans is something cool and fun today. But it isn't. A few years ago being gay or bisexual or shit was cool. But now it's not enough.
You are nonbinary? WOOOAH *0*
It's CRAZY how many young kids and teens think they are nonbinary or trans because they are not girly or masculine enough. For me being nonbinary is not understanding that you can be masculine as a woman and feminine as a man. Or that you can have both of these feelings and traits and that doesn't change who you are
Being trans is not being trans anymore. It's a social phenomenon. All those 'trans people' have nothing to do with real trans people. And about social contagion theory?
Look on TikTok. People making videos titled 'how can you recognize you are trans?' and then saying 'you are a girl and like other girls or masculine things'. Or another creator behaving like a child so kids will listen to them so they can share their agenda and influence them
Jeffrey Marsh is also one of the example of TikTok to trans pipeline. And I HOPE someone will check his background and PC because this Man wants to speak to the kids and to be honest he scares me. Me, a grown woman. He is like a predator who created a perfect disguise, but you can see sometimes he looses control in a very ugly way
It's all about how society is being influenced by this so-called 'trans stuff'
Nowadays in America you can literally commit a crime, claim you are trans and have smaller sentence. 
Someone used wrong pronouns by mistake? THROW A TANTRUM, CANCEL THEIR WHOLE LIFE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE A REGULAR, NOT A PUBLIC PERSON, LET YOUR FOLLOWERS DOXX AND THREATEN THEM
it's sick. Schools are socially transitioning children behinf their parents backs. There are some cases. You can't and won't deny IT.
Lesbians and gays are called transphobic because they won't suck a dick or eat a pussy. People are being fired because they used wrong pronouns. Children and teens wanting to be cool claiming they are nonbinary because being nonbinary is all about the looks. That's the truth. Being nonbinary is all about how someone perceives you, about external validation. About annoying people and having them apologize to you. I saw this time and time again. It's tiring
I have many things I want to say but I don't have time and (as I said before, sorry for repeating myself) English isn't my first language, so I would probably spend like 2-3 hours if I wanted to write more. I'm proud of myself that I can freely talk and write on English, but I'm not used to longer forms and sometimes I make bigger mistakes and get lost
And please, don't call us cis women. We are WOMEN. Why are women always silenced for saying that? It's pure misogyny
I want to make a bigger thread on this-proper, without any frustration, keep it cool and proffesional. And I know I'm not alone. There are some things I want to say because I believe they need to be said. If someone wants to help me or supports me, just DM


You don't agree?-DM me, just because we don't agree doesn't mean I have anything towards you as a person

Sorry if I was too aggressive-I'm just frustrated with what's going on lately ._.
This is the equivalent of me saying "some women are mentally unstable therefore all women are mentally unstable and also predators too who will doxx you if you disagree with them even slightly." (which I'm not saying). Like, yeah some people in the trans community are bonkers, every community has people who are a little bonkers.
I've never heard of a school that would allow kids to socially transition behind parents' backs, do you have sources? Even if the staff go along and call someone by their preferred name or *gasp* even they/them, that doesn't mean that the other kids in school aren't going to snitch. I remember when I asked my close friends to call me by my preferred name and pronouns and word got around and suddenly my mom was getting calls from the school and my sister was snitching on me. All that because I wanted people to call me something different than was on my birth certificate. I guess I should've been calling my parents and school staff by their first names and also never referring to people using pronouns, too. 
First it was the "Tumblr to trans" pipeline, now they wanna call it the "TikTok to trans" pipeline, do any of y'all consider that maybe the internet has just given people the correct labels to identify their feelings and their way of thinking? Does it even occur to you? + also being trans isn't just "i have masculine traits therefore I'm a trans man!" or "I have feminine traits therefore I'm a trans woman!" For me, it's literally that my brain feels half-female and half-male. I have thinking patterns that I guess you would describe as "just masculine" or "feminine" but gender roles play a big part in identifying as trans or even identifying as *gasp* cis! BTW Cis isn't a derogatory term, it's not used to say that trans women are the only real women. It means that your gender and sex at birth align with each other. You want to talk about how trans people want to be a marginalized group, look what you're doing for womankind right there. I thought this was 2024 and women are allowed to be educated now? My bad. 
(I'm genderqueer, I use she/he/they pronouns.)

07.04.2024 13:15:08
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07.04.2024 15:10:59
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I'm not a cis woman
WE are not a cis women
We are just simply women
As I said: women are being told to basically shut up if they don't want to be called cis. For us cis is the equivalent of calling a trans person a tranny
And your 'awww, but it's not a slur! :CC' doesn't make a difference. It's a pure misogyny, that's what it is

07.04.2024 15:10:59

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07.04.2024 16:14:10
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cisgender is a slur used to silence you? and you're still yammering? suspicious. 

07.04.2024 16:14:10
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07.04.2024 17:22:23
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Iowa wrote:
anyway, thanks for the source! this type of engagement and discourse is good!


Doesn’t matter what evidence is presented to you that these treatments are dangerous to children, you will never look at them in an objective way. An intellect would do that without bias. As the scientific method these people are supposed to using as professionals; has a first step to create a hypothesis and the last step is to verify if it is correct or incorrect. I’ve taken you seriously and I’ve given my time to try to decipher your way of thinking. I’ve come to the conclusion that you allow your bias to cloud your judgement. When presented with evidence you don’t agree with subjectively, your choice is to always claim transphobia. I’ve been respectful towards you because you have shown me some level of respect, but I feel gaslit because of the twisting of the narrative to always be transphobic. I can’t take you seriously anymore because it appears you do not take anything seriously. That makes me sad because I actually thought we could have a productive conversation for once. A serious problem today is that nobody wants to have an actual conversation, but a one-sided discussion.  



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07.04.2024 17:31:18
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cisgender is literally just the antonym of transgender. just like heterosexual is the antonym of homosexual. it is quite common for minority groups to create words for the people not in their minority group; for example, ‘neurotypical’ vs ‘neurodivergent’, ‘allosexual’ vs ‘asexual’, ‘perisex’ vs ‘intersex’, etc. these words are purely descriptive. they are not identities you are forced to take on. they are only relevant when discussion pertains to the minority group or distinguishing the minority group from the majority group. cisgender is the exact same.

can you imagine if someone had the same reaction to any other majority group descriptors? “i’m not a straight woman, i’m just a woman” “i’m not a white woman, i’m just a woman”. you see the problem with those statements, yes? 

also Bimbo Pimp i’m saddened that that is your perception of me. i thought i was quite objective. i fully concur that there is a documented association between HRT and elevated cardiovascular risks, i fully concur that puberty blockers have negative effects on bone density that aren’t always fully recovered through HRT, i fully concur that HRT slightly increases the risks for certain cancers. all of those statements are objectively true. the article on the other hand wasnt objective and i pointed out multiple reasons why, including the fact that the author has a vested interest in pushing alternatives to transitioning. this affects her writing and word choice; she says that both GAC and alternative treatments have limited evidence, as if they are equal, without saying that GAC has more evidence than alternative treatments by several orders of magnitude. that’s bias! that is not an objective portrayal of the facts! am i wrong for pointing that out?

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07.04.2024 18:38:52
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@ Iowa 

I am not objecting to your point on which method has more research, I’ve stated that there is not enough evidence-based research as a whole to be transitioning children. If this isn’t a “good” reason to pushback then I don’t know what to tell ya mate. Your clear acceptance of the probable consequences is a step forward. The increase risks of having these life-threatening conditions should also be a “good” reason. Cancer is not a cutesy illness, there is high risk as it is. I’m a survivor and it is life changing. Your human rights are important as are mine. I accept the difference in opinion.  Thank you for engaging.

Now I’ll be focusing on keeping deranged men out of my spaces. :)



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07.04.2024 18:47:00
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and i’ve stated that that notion is not based on how pediatric medicine actually works. the evidence base for gender affirming care is comparable to other areas of pediatric medicine. but more research is always needed!

and i fully agree cancer is serious and life changing, but if increased risk of cancer is the issue, then no minor should ever receive any hormonal treatments for anything. that includes endocrine disorders, intersex variations, etc. sex hormones ALWAYS increase cancer risk, and the risk is actually less for cross-sex hormones than it is for HRT in cisgender people. 

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