They want to be accepted as men and women which they will never be because they are trans but they cant accept women just want to be called women and have to label it as "cis women" birth giver or chest feeder. women have always been around and been real yet you throw out labels to diminsh what a women is. women dont need teh trans or lbg+ to tell they what a women is and more importantly dont have penis. a women is a biological female. as a man i dont have to worry about things like a women does like womens onlys spaces or sports.
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trans people have also always been around but go off
We can't say that trans people have existed since the begining of time but we can 100% say that women have.
Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts at which you nursed. :D Women are amazing don't you think?
Bimbo Pimp wrote:
There are amazing people in the world. We should hold all accountable for good and bad behavior regardless of race, sex or political views. Keep isolating transpeople the way you do by not accepting that there are trans with harmful behavior in the trans community. Rejecting science does not affect reality. If I went about saying that my community could do no wrong, I'd be doing my community a disservice. Not everyone in my community are good people. I'd be a liar. c’est la vie!
i don't think anyone did that in this thread
Candy_Bitch wrote:
Okay, about that whole trans women are women and trans men are men thing:
on society level yes, they are perceived as men and women. If I had a friend who happens to be a trans man I would greet him by saying 'hey, how my trans-bro is doing' I would just say 'hey man, how are you doing today?'
That said, even though we accept them as such, saying trans women are women and trans men are men hurts. We are just different. I see and recognize you as a man or a woman, but we have totally different experiences and we don't have that much in common. I won't even start on biology.
And if someone wants to starts on biology-don't you dare start with 'owww, but what about women who had hysteroctomy or intersex people'. Don't you dare. I know someone sooner or later will say something about these topics, it always happens
the usage of cisgender vs transgender is meant to point out the difference though! thats its express purpose! i am a man legally, mentally, and socially. my boyfriend is a man legally, mentally, and socially. but we are different because i am transgender and he is cisgender. just like we are different because i am white and he is mixed race, i have chronic pain and he is able-bodied, i am gay and he is bisexual, etc. but i've been living as male for a decade, i've been on testosterone for 8 years, and i've been legally male for 6 years. i don't think i have more in common with you than i have with him because we happen to have the same original equipment.
also you said you don't want to start on biology but on the off chance you do that is a topic i also enjoy talking about :^]
The moment I point out that some trans are invading women's spaces/ ruining sports for us or spewing bigotry towards non-trans people. You say no trans is doing anything wrong. That is saying that there are no bad people in the trans community that would violate women's rights.
Yes your boyfriend is also different than you are physically and you know that apparently yet here you are validating the idea that a woman is physically the same as a transwoman. I'd be damned if I ever see you tell a trans/ alley off for saying something that is not factually true or for being hateful towards non-trans. I on the other hand will tell anyone off because I do not have a cultish way of thinking. I call it how I see it. That is why I speak to you or anyone else in the same manner, if I was to treat you as if you were made of glass; it would mean I find you to be a weak person. That is not the case.
So its been said in this topic multiple times that trans women are real women and trans men are real men but you just said the difference is you are transgender man while your boyfriend is a real man and that it is different. you can not change how you are born and teh difference it makes between male and female
Iowa wrote:
Iowa wrote:
the usage of cisgender vs transgender is meant to point out the difference though! thats its express purpose! i am a man legally, mentally, and socially. my boyfriend is a man legally, mentally, and socially. but we are different because i am transgender and he is cisgender. just like we are different because i am white and he is mixed race, i have chronic pain and he is able-bodied, i am gay and he is bisexual, etc. but i've been living as male for a decade, i've been on testosterone for 8 years, and i've been legally male for 6 years. i don't think i have more in common with you than i have with him because we happen to have the same original equipment.also you said you don't want to start on biology but on the off chance you do that is a topic i also enjoy talking about :^]
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Bimbo Pimp wrote:
The moment I point out that some trans are invading women's spaces/ ruining sports for us or spewing bigotry towards non-trans people. You say no trans is doing anything wrong. That is saying that there are no bad people in the trans community that would violate women's rights.Yes your boyfriend is also different than you are physically and you know that apparently yet here you are validating the idea that a woman is physically the same as a transwoman. I'd be damned if I ever see you tell a trans/ alley off for saying something that is not factually true or for being hateful towards non-trans. I on the other hand will tell anyone off because I do not have a cultish way of thinking. I call it how I see it. That is why I speak to you or anyone else in the same manner, if I was to treat you as if you were made of glass; it would mean I find you to be a weak person. That is not the case.
i said that there is so statistical evidence that the inclusion of trans women in women's spaces materially harms cisgender women, which is true. i provided sources. i never said that there are no trans people who do bad things. if you recall, i specifically said anyone of any demographic is capable of being a predator.
also, am i not being clear? the descriptors of cisgender and transgender describe the differences. that is their purpose. i've said that multiple times. what's not sticking?
Whats not sticking about calling women who wish to be women and not cis women? just because you hate being a women doesnt mean other women follow. until you learn to respect women and stop pushing your trans labels on them no one will respect you lady
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@Iowa
Men that cannot make it in the men’s category are
transitioning and demolishing women in their sports. There hasn't been an indication that you might think this is
wrong and unfair. Actually I haven't seen anyone trans coming to defend women on here, just scream that all trans are victims and are just like us biological women. Just realized that.
The way we look is a way that we have always described someone, yet people are crying when misgendered. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Bimbo Pimp wrote:
myself & iowa specifically said that there are trans people who are creeps, predators, or just generally offputting. a proportion of EVERY demographic group includes shitty people. but we shouldn't use this small number of examples to demonize an entire demographic group.
We can agree on that, right? a lot of men rape women, but that doesn't make every man a rapist. some straight people commit hate crimes against gay people, but that doesn't make every straight person a violent homophobe. some trans people are creeps, but that doesn't make every trans person a creep. The huge majority of trans people (like the majority of every demographic) are living a normal life & minding their own business.
(2) no one ever said that a trans woman is physically identical to a cis woman
no one is more aware of sex differences than trans people themselves. it's the whole reason that gender dysphoria exists.
however, a trans person can obtain most (ofc not all) of the sex characteristics of their gender, & live socially as that gender, whether you like it or not.
a trans man who's lived as a man & looked like a man for 20 years has more in common with men than he does with women. being born with a certain set of parts doesn't determine all your life experiences forever.
our feminist foremothers fought for decades for bodily autonomy, against biological determinism, & against a woman being solely defined by her reproductive parts. it's sad to see people using the name of 'feminism' to try to undo all that.
(also like. the 'trans women in sports' thing is way overblown but admittedly a more complicated issue.
trans women BEEN competing in sports for many years, & only recently have they had any noteable wins - just like how trans women have been using womens bathrooms for decades, & it wasnt an issue until the current moral panic. There was a trans weightlifter in the last olympics & she didn't even place, lol.
The obsession on trans women in sports, so far, has harmed cis women by pushing out women who naturally have higher levels of testosterone. its also led to some US states proposing 'genital inspections' of minor athletes to make sure that no trans kids are sneaking onto the girls soccer team - which any reasonable person should find disgusting!)
(1) no one said that trans people can do no wrongThe moment I point out that some trans are invading women's spaces/ ruining sports for us or spewing bigotry towards non-trans people. You say no trans is doing anything wrong. That is saying that there are no bad people in the trans community that would violate women's rights.Yes your boyfriend is also different than you are physically and you know that apparently yet here you are validating the idea that a woman is physically the same as a transwoman. I'd be damned if I ever see you tell a trans/ alley off for saying something that is not factually true or for being hateful towards non-trans. I on the other hand will tell anyone off because I do not have a cultish way of thinking. I call it how I see it. That is why I speak to you or anyone else in the same manner, if I was to treat you as if you were made of glass; it would mean I find you to be a weak person. That is not the case.
myself & iowa specifically said that there are trans people who are creeps, predators, or just generally offputting. a proportion of EVERY demographic group includes shitty people. but we shouldn't use this small number of examples to demonize an entire demographic group.
We can agree on that, right? a lot of men rape women, but that doesn't make every man a rapist. some straight people commit hate crimes against gay people, but that doesn't make every straight person a violent homophobe. some trans people are creeps, but that doesn't make every trans person a creep. The huge majority of trans people (like the majority of every demographic) are living a normal life & minding their own business.
(2) no one ever said that a trans woman is physically identical to a cis woman
no one is more aware of sex differences than trans people themselves. it's the whole reason that gender dysphoria exists.
however, a trans person can obtain most (ofc not all) of the sex characteristics of their gender, & live socially as that gender, whether you like it or not.
a trans man who's lived as a man & looked like a man for 20 years has more in common with men than he does with women. being born with a certain set of parts doesn't determine all your life experiences forever.
our feminist foremothers fought for decades for bodily autonomy, against biological determinism, & against a woman being solely defined by her reproductive parts. it's sad to see people using the name of 'feminism' to try to undo all that.
(also like. the 'trans women in sports' thing is way overblown but admittedly a more complicated issue.
trans women BEEN competing in sports for many years, & only recently have they had any noteable wins - just like how trans women have been using womens bathrooms for decades, & it wasnt an issue until the current moral panic. There was a trans weightlifter in the last olympics & she didn't even place, lol.
The obsession on trans women in sports, so far, has harmed cis women by pushing out women who naturally have higher levels of testosterone. its also led to some US states proposing 'genital inspections' of minor athletes to make sure that no trans kids are sneaking onto the girls soccer team - which any reasonable person should find disgusting!)
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