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Trial for titsandass/Her Majesty

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01.09.2024
Dean Winchester
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Atheista
02.09.2024 22:21:50
Dean Winchester

Aaand that’s the million dollar question cus there were no purchases associated with that account. 

02.09.2024 22:21:50
lovelifegirl
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Atheista
03.09.2024 01:32:05
lovelifegirl

Ty dean and the team for investigating, i initially posted a comment here, but deleted it deciding to wait and see what else was said. 
i would like to say that with everything presented for the stats only, it would’ve been possible to get those stats as the account displayed ( obviously if this was the route taken is entirely different, but just throwing it out there that the maths was just a tad incorrect but that doesn’t entirely matter at the bulk of it ). 
have we accounted for the days and lottery spins that would’ve been played while the account was still active? although it is completely RNG, it is possible to gain a multitude of diamonds that way ( iirc, i think i got like 600D once in like 4 spins so super lucky ). it would’ve also been possible to RNG 3 artifacts for 10D ( super easy to get small amounts of diamonds using duels and exploring the site as well ). 
Either way, the only possible way ( if it wasn’t done legit ) is to hack the website, which imo i doubt MH did; and lets say she did, that should entirely be up to the dev team and chris and not us players, bc if she did hack, then that needs to be looked into yesterday as a flaw system and who knows what other information COULD be obtained that way. the dev team probably doesn’t bc of the state of this site ( lmaoo ) but if they did keep a log, its possible they may be able to see the stat changes (( but again super highly unlikely given how this site runs )).

i also was doing some rough maths ( i don’t do maths like at all, i was a science nerd lol ), and with people voting, duels, jobs, games, relationships, i roughly estimated a bit over 10K in SA on the lower end, thats give or take quite a bit ( for the job, i roughly estimated 10 hours - as their achievements said, and 30 SA for this - this would be the biggest factor in the numbers as it could very well have been a lot more // and for duels, i accounted 5SA points [ about the number you get for undemanding, to avg it on piece of cake to tough ] for 30 times a day ( though if MH was telling the truth, it could go up to 40 on that grind ).

as said, this is just super rough, and i am not bothered - but you could make a spreadsheet and track with numbers with their jobs and minigames for SA if thats into question too, and change/update the stat changes with the next job or wtv, and i’d rather not do that myself LOL ( way too much effort for this ) 

(( i’d also like to note that a bot is basically an automated system, and cannot do something that isn’t physically possible for you to do [ in the case of PCUMA - you could press the duel button every 30 minutes as thats what’s allowed, a bot wouldn’t speed up the time, make you win, change stats/numbers or anything like that. obviously this isn’t actually viable due to sleep, life, work etc, but you could do it if you takeaway actually living ] )) 

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Slayyyocrates
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Reasonopia
03.09.2024 02:07:37
Slayyyocrates

Dean Winchester wrote: (original post HERE)
Aaand that’s the million dollar question cus there were no purchases associated with that account.
Top Ups would be associated with that account.
Gifts … would not.

They were gifts.  By the Boss.  The Leader of the Leveling Consortium.

SOC Theory Engaged

03.09.2024 02:07:37
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Dean Winchester
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Atheista
03.09.2024 02:13:10
Dean Winchester

Soc we already checked that account for payments and there weren’t purchases associated to i

03.09.2024 02:13:10
lovelifegirl
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Atheista
03.09.2024 02:13:16
lovelifegirl

^^ you can also get diamonds by levelling up, which idk nor can remember how many you would get from just levelling, but id imagine from levels alone, before deactivation could be 1000-1500D ( i think? idk lol, rough estimate give or take; icr if this was mentioned either, i think it was? im jared 19 :PP ) 

(( i also just completed my dailies lmao, and i forgot to account for 12 dailies at the least, would’ve been 600 SA - not accounting for retries and token usage. so i’d change my initial 10k+ SA to nearly 11k - still stands tho above lol )) 

03.09.2024 02:13:16
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Dean Winchester
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Atheista
03.09.2024 02:43:07
Dean Winchester

we did run a simulation fo titsandass account AND we did not get enuff diamonds to do so

03.09.2024 02:43:07
lovelifegirl
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Atheista
03.09.2024 03:15:13
lovelifegirl

ty for clarifying dean, i thought i read that before, im just not thinking lol. then the only other significant way to get numerous diamonds as i said in prev. comment is for spins, which cannot be duplicated ( and i doubt the dev team has any of those logs kept ) and unless HM clarifies i just gotta give the benefit of the doubt, simply due to the fact that stat wise it is possible, and tracking diamonds is more since only levelling up is the way to those diamonds, but not the numerous other ways ( duels, spins, site exploration etc ) and only HM can confirm. 

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Pollyx
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Antitheocra
03.09.2024 03:21:02
Pollyx

lovelifegirl wrote: (original post HERE)
Ty dean and the team for investigating, i initially posted a comment here, but deleted it deciding to wait and see what else was said. i would like to say that with everything presented for the stats only, it would’ve been possible to get those...
Hi lovelifegirl!! Thank you for the feedback. Would you be willing to specify where the math was incorrect? Below are some already noted ways in which my math was incorrect but I would love to learn more so I can correct them:

1) I accidentally calculated minigames as every 24 hours instead of every 20. This does make a difference but with the other data included we can't really consider this a good explanation for the missing points (in my opinion)
2) I included titsandass' jail time in the days on site which was obviously not correct as they could not have been doing minigames during that time. This would make the numbers lower.

Other than this I would love to know where I've messed up if I did!! You say it would have been possible to get those stats and I agree, it is technically possible, but based on my probability info posted in my last reply here, it is unlikely. Not a 0% chance, but close to that. If we take into account that I miscalculated the number of hours between minigame resets, that would give titsandass a higher score IF they were able to have the right number of artifacts which as we know is pretty near impossible, it would have to be a site glitch to get even HALF the number of bimbopoly board game artifacts they would need. Even with more frequent minigames meaning you might need fewer artifacts overall, the number you would need is near-impossible. Like, only possible on a technicality. If you disagree please let me know!! I really do not want to be miscalculating here and feel bad about what I've already included.
"have we accounted for the days and lottery spins that would’ve been played while the account was still active?"
This was a consideration but not a huge one. They would have had 4 lottery tickets during their time on site, though I don't know if it counts if you've been jailed...? So they might have missed one. Probably not a huge diamond payout from that when we compare to how many diamonds they claim to have spent and how many additionally they would need to do this.
"you can also get diamonds by levelling up, which idk nor can remember how many you would get from just levelling"
Yes! I took this into account. It could be useful for some numbers, but just wouldn't add up to the number of diamonds they'd need to gain this many artifacts or skip that many tasks.

"it would’ve also been possible to RNG 3 artifacts for 10D"
Very true. I had only considered the exchanging for a specific artifact for 100D which is too expensive, but this is a potential option. However, for early players the likelihood of receiving enough of the same type of artifact, any artifact, to trade it in, is pretty unlikely. Risky play to trade in some of your only matching artifacts for one single random artifact.

Here is a quote I received from another user about this a few hours ago:
"hi, i've just read the new titsandass trial, and i have to say that while your probability calculations may be correct, they don't take into account that you can swap artifacts. you need 3 artifacts of the same kind and 100D to exchange it to something different of your choice (10D for a randomized choice but i think it was unlikely in her case). also, some artifacts are more rare than others, for example i noticed senator's grail is really hard to get naturally. but anyways, i can tell you, on a lower level it's actually hard to get 3 or more artifacts of the same type to exchange it, i remember being around lvl 30 on [ACCOUNT NAME] and my artifacts were like this: 4 of one kind, 2 of one kind, 1 of one kind, 3 of one kind, 1 of one kind, and so on and so forth. on such low level your chances of getting 3 artifacts of the same kind are still kinda low. and she still would need even more diamonds for that"
So that's more info on that. I definitely failed to include artifact swapping in my calculations, but it still seems pretty unlikely, especially when you need so many diamonds to swap that many times and so many of the same type of artifact to be able to do it in the first place. It just doesn't seem to change things. I do know some artifacts are much harder to get but have not been able to figure out what exact percentages there are for the drop of each artifact.
"that should entirely be up to the dev team and chris and not us players, bc if she did hack, then that needs to be looked into yesterday as a flaw system and who knows what other information COULD be obtained that way. the dev team probably doesn’t bc of the state of this site ( lmaoo ) but if they did keep a log, its possible they may be able to see the stat changes (( but again super highly unlikely given how this site runs ))"
Agreed. I would really like admin to look into this and have reached out to some and will be reaching out more. SAN has been notified of this but is not available. For the time being, a trial to try to see if people think this user is guilty of interfering with the site's function is useful in that we can use it to 1) protect the site from people who may exploit its somewhat popsicle stick code, if the senators vote that Her Majesty is guilty, and 2) use the opportunity of the case to gather more evidence and data to further our case for why admin should look into this. Thank you so much for contributing your calculations!! You are a huge part of that.

Basically, I am presenting this math to make the case that this is NOT possible to do legit, even if you don't have a life and have unlimited free time. Again I have zero personal issue with the users involved at all, I just truly do think some kind of interference has occurred here. "Botting" is not the right term but it is also one people can understand as "a machine doing things you aren't personally doing" which may have been involved as well. I'm not a computer science person so my wording around this is super clumsy. I don't know how they did it, I just feel based on the overwhelming evidence and unbelievable numbers that they could not have done this manually. Does that make sense?

Finally: Thank you for your math around SA! I did not include Sex Appeal in my calculations because there are way more ways you can increase that stat and some of them can be aided by other players, looping us back around to the "is using alts to up your own stats allowed?" question which is not on the table right now. Fitness, Vanity, and Superficiality have a much more limited rate at which they can be increased which is why I focused on those.

Thank you for bringing your thoughts to the table and if you disagree please let me know!!

Anyone else with more to share or any leads, please feel free to DM Dean (or any FP, or myself because I'm involved now) your information even if you are not a Senator and we can take a look. It can help the investigation!



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lovelifegirl
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Atheista
03.09.2024 03:58:07
lovelifegirl

Tysm Polly! Sorry I was just agreeing with the others about the calculations ( if we’re being generous and say the senator artifact 2x was the 72 hour one, that accounts for 80 points at highest every game for a max of 6 days [ game artifact + senator grail ] which i agree is either lucky or questionable ) for the games and i did rly scuffed maths on the SA bc it was brought into question on the cheating allegations, but wholeheartedly agree with you. the artifacts definitely is questionable and how it would’ve come and its unfortunate SAN isn’t here ( lmaoo ). I actually had no idea using this would actually bring a case for the dev team to actually look into their code ( honestly if you inspect element, the code is difficult to read from a coding standpoint LOL ), but I am glad it is! 
The botting thing definitely, and ik its loosely used, but just thought i’d throw that out there bc ik there is a bit of misunderstandings ( not directly you, but just in general and that its something it isn’t ykyk just for a future PH team who may investigate similar allegations so it’d be more exploits or hacks pretty much, but unless the dev team and check logs, ips or wtv, unless they have an idea on how it was hacked, its harder to track and exploits are a different can of worms to open ). it could be to RNG focused for me, and i think HM shouldn’t keep quiet bc only she knows exactly whats happened and would help understand whats happened with the artifacts and diamond usage/gain. i’d say an IP ban might be a bit harsh, but then again idk. w chests giving artifacts and spins giving chests its too luck/rng based for me to comfortably definitively say yay or nay, but tysm for answering and clarifying for me Polly! c: I felt like i was using too much effort doing the maths for SA myself lmaoo, i cannot imagine what you did for the three stats and accounting/keeping track of the crazes ToT 


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halobear8
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Freethinkerland
03.09.2024 04:00:00
halobear8

If artifact exchanging was to blame for the multitudes of artifacts used, wouldn't Her Majesty already have used that as an explanation? My theory is that HM hacked + gave themself more diamonds. 

03.09.2024 04:00:00
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