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Ximboland democracy failures and how to address it

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Miss Bimbo
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12.12.2023 09:12:37
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This is a community troll. Y'all need a hobby xD

12.12.2023 09:12:37
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Miss Bimbo
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12.12.2023 10:53:59
Miss Bimbo
I am trying to understand the incident whereby some Bimbos known as the 'cowboy gang' were exiled. From what I understand they were divisive extreme leftist proponents of identity politics whom used their political positions to cause general mayhem and nastiness time and again. As well as trying to cheat the elections using alt accounts. 
And after some time and lot of warnings they were, quite reasonably, found guilty of treason and exiled. 
is this about right? 

My only question here is whether their crimes fit the punishment ie exiled forever? Is it not a case that once again they could be rehabilitated and 1 a 1 year or 6 month spell in jail would have sufficed? I am loathed to suggest that real Bimbo patriots whom generally love me and they site and community should ever be exiled for life for anything other than the most heinous of crimes eg hacking into the site or threatening someone with real violence or inciting others to violence. 

If anyone can enlighten me i would appreciate that.  




12.12.2023 10:53:59

Dye96
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12.12.2023 11:18:04
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Hi Chris! Since I'm the one who had the honour to ban them, I'll gladly answer your questions. However, before I go into too many details, please be a doll and read this first. It's very detailed and has many pictures!

They couldn't care less about the site and its' wellbeing, about the players or anything else. What did they care about? Cheat the elections, have all their friends in power positions, ban anyone who doesn't agree with them and just make a fool out of the site altogether. While the last part isn't hard to do since someone decided to call it a Mexican dish so the bar is really low, I wouldn't say the lifetime ban is harsh in any way. I'm curious how communication would have been if one of them became PB - sorry, PX, force of habit. 

I'm happy to answer any other questions you have regarding this.

12.12.2023 11:18:04
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Miss Bimbo
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12.12.2023 15:01:13
Miss Bimbo
Hello Dye96
Thanks very much for your message. First of all I want to say thanks to you for your efforts in Bimboland over the years.  I know you have been a very influential and hardworking Bimbo and that you have always done your best in many difficult circumstances. 

That said I have to challenge you and your decisions and your actions here to see if anything differently could and should have happened. 

Firstly i believe we are talking about some people whom are actual Bimbo patriots and whom do actually love Ximboland as much as you and I. Yes they have said mean things about us but so have you said mean things about me so that in itself doesn't mean they dont love the place deep down anymore than you. 

Also it seems to me that a lot of hurty words were said on some other private servers or websites. In my view our jurisdiction for prosecuting naughty bimbos should be what they have done and said on our site. In our world. The reason being that it gets too confusing and obscure to try and police people on 'other' sites. Its tricky enough on our site let alone trying to hold people to account on other sites. That's not to say a good fashion police shouldn't have spies on other sites watching what's going on. They should - but I dont think we can prosecute anyone for what they say on other sites. In my view we can only prosecute people for what they actually say or do in our own community. On our  own site - Ximboland. Therefore they should not be punished for things said on other sites. 
 
So next we have to take into account what they actually did wrong in our jurisdiction - Ximboland.
The creation of alt accounts to create 'fake' votes in the election is clearly abhorrent and disgusting to all of us. At this point in time our laws prohibit alt accounts. 
At present its obvious that creating fake accounts in order to win undermines the democracy we are trying to uphold and and is not a fair way to conduct an election.
Without the hard work of the FP to stamp this out we do not have a fair election. That said how do police this and how do we know what is an alt account and what is not?
It becomes a trickly game of detective work looking at Ip addresses and email addresses. It gets murky and dark deciding who is a legit alt and who is not. Then on top of that we have an issue with the existing government having a natural inclination or bias towards those people they like and therefore having the fashion police actually police the opposition to the potential downfall of their own government is open and rife for abuse. 
Hmmm. So how do we resolve these conflicting dilemnas?


1) Firstly we have to ask the question - are our laws fit for purpose? ie is outlawing alt accounts a mistake and impossible to police ultimately? we could say that we do not care about alt accounts and whoever has the courage to create as many alt accounts deserves to win anyway. It shows determination and guile. Positive traits.
And then its simply a case of the Prime Ximbo with the biggest group of friends wins or more hardwork ethic wins. I am assured by Karol that its not possible to automate alt accounts so in actual fact if someone has the dedication, energy and time to make 50 accounts for 50 votes then they should win right? Good on them. So be it. A win is a win and they put in more hardwork than the others so deserve it.

2) Another way to ensure its democratic is to limit some aspect of voting to all those Ximbos whom are senators only. It seems unlikely that people will create alt accounts this way so we could have the state minister elections open to senators only and the actual PB election open to everyone no matter the amount of votes they get and how they get them. Or other way around so the state minster elections are open to all and doesn't matter how they get them or how many alt accounts but the PB election is open to senators only. 

3)  The final option is to leave it is as it is now but we can clearly see the problems with this method now because after a while democracy suffers and power may stay in the hands of the same group of people without anyone challenging them. Also its tricky to avoid the temptation to eliminate ones rivals if the alt accounts are policed and being enforced by the people wanting to remain in power. We are putting our leaders in a position where it is almost impossible to not be accused of an abuse of power. That's not fair or healthy for anyone.    

  
 

 
  


12.12.2023 15:01:13

Dye96
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12.12.2023 15:31:22
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Oh damn, that's... a lot

Well, let's see:
1. Was my judgement clouded when I banned them? Maybe, but you're almost 2 years late in deciding that - I actually had to read that thread I linked too because at some point in my life, I decided to free my memory of this.
2. No one banned anyone for talking shit about the Pink House, Team Bimbo or anyone else on a site different from Ximboland. You know I'm not your fan by any means and yet, here I am - but once they express that they intend to cheat the elections so they win without actually deserving to while this is a clear violation of the T&C that you agreed to... should we have taken this lightly?
3. I mentioned earlier you're 2 years late - why is that? It was a pretty big deal back then and I'm pretty sure I also talked to you about it and yet nothing happened, I don't understand why this is the reason you can't sleep at night just now.
4.  
I am assured by Karol that its not possible to automate alt accounts so in actual fact if someone has the dedication, energy and time to make 50 accounts for 50 votes then they should win right? Good on them. So be it. A win is a win and they put in more hardwork than the others so deserve it.
So anyone can do whatever the heck they want, as long as they really want it, right? Especially if we're talking about someone who's willing to pay their way to success. I feel the need to reming you we're not talking about 50 accounts here, but something closer to 500.

And just for the fun of it! Here's a quote:

7.2 One sole account per Player

Once a Form has been completed, an Account is allocated to the Player summarising their preferences. Ximbolands reserves the right to temporarily suspend access to the Account or to certain functions of the Game without notice for maintenance purposes. The unavailability of the Game will not give rise to any right to compensation. Each Player may only register once for the Game, and may only hold one Account. It is strictly prohibited for one Player to register more than one Account, to use an Account opened by another Player, or to use the username of another Player in a fraudulent manner. The opening of several Accounts by the same Player or the fraudulent use of another Player's Account or username may result in the closure of the Player's account, in the Player being prohibited from accessing the Game from any account.

I highlighted the important stuff. If creating alt accounts to win the PB election doesn't fall into this, then I don't know what does.


Question for extra points:
5. Why do you think there isn't much competition in the race for PB and generally for the Pink House?

12.12.2023 15:31:22
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bxdcherri
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12.12.2023 16:28:24
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The whole cowboy thing is fucked up. But in the court case, there’s multiple reasons listed as to why they are banned. And a lot of them are revolving around hurtful things said in a private discord. It’s horrible to read, upsetting that people genuinely went after others on the site with such aggression and just a disappointment to read. But I feel I must preface this - no one has any right on this site to ban someone for something they said in private. Banning them for creating alt accounts is totally justified in my opinion, and the rest of the case was not needed. Furthermore, they were banned before a court case was even made against them. As a normal player, it seemed a strange way to approach the whole situation. We don’t make court cases for every ban for having an alt, so it’s clear they got banned for more than just having alts, and the screenshots largely suggests it’s because they were talking shit in private. But they weren’t given the chance to defend themselves. The outcome would’ve most likely been the same, they would’ve been banned, which is good. However they were stripped of their right to a proper court case. 

I have to agree with Dye, why is all of this suddenly an issue? These bans happened years ago, HLB happened years ago, I believe the shop worker bans happened years ago too - why are you bothered about this now, and not when it was happening? It just doesn’t make sense. Also, rigging an election is fucking stupid, how can you justify that? Dye has literally put your own rules into question here. It’s stupid you’d even consider that crime a pardonable offence, when you are also striving for a fair and just democracy. 

12.12.2023 16:28:24

Miss Bimbo
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Miss Bimbo
12.12.2023 16:29:19
Miss Bimbo
The people you banned are writing to me 2 years later asking for clemency. So what does that tell us about them? It tells us they do love Ximboland and they are legitimate Ximbos. Therefore is the crime they committed worthy of a a lifetime of exile from their homeland? 
I dont think so personally because they did not

a) encourage violence against anyone
b) they did not encourage hacking or violence of Ximboland 

what you rightly found them guilty of was

a) trying to fraudulently influence the outcome of our election.

In my view the punishment given to them was too severe. 

Which leads us onto the next point and pne of the failures of our democratic system ie the fact you were put in this position in the first place. Our current law states that alt accounts aren't allowed which means its your job to police that law. Which you correctly did to the best of your ability.
However we have put you in a position where abuse can occur because after all -  who polices the police?
Whats to stop you banning people whom you don't like ? What's to stop you banning Bimbos whom may topple your government in the next election?

There is nothing at present and that's a floor in our democracy and is probably one of teh reasons why there is no opposition to the current PB election after election. 

My solutions to this are above and I now believe we should not be banning alt accounts. We should only ban/ensure bots can not cheat the need to create manual alt accounts. Creating manual alt accounts is time consuming and tedious and so if people win doing that then so be it. They deserve to win.

I also think we need an independent judiciary so maybe 20% of treasury should go to an independent judge whom is neutral and oversees our democracy and makes sure its as  fair as it can possibly be. Perhaps we should need to give the senators the chance to vote for the Supreme Bimbo Judge  
 

 

12.12.2023 16:29:19

bxdcherri
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bxdcherri
12.12.2023 16:33:59
bxdcherri
Personally I’d like a himbo account to dress up too, so I can see why alts would be fun. But rigging an election is not fun. Let’s say the entire site genuinely wants one person to win and not the other, but the other has coding experience. Now all of a sudden there’s 10,000 votes from bots for the other person. That is NOT fair. 

Edit: just want to add to Chris’s point about senator only voting. This could be a good idea to help stop alts from messing around with the votes. State minister voting should be open to everyone in their state as usual, and then PB for senators only. I can’t think of why this idea wouldn’t work, so if anyone can see any downsides let me know.

12.12.2023 16:33:59

Miss Bimbo
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Miss Bimbo
12.12.2023 16:43:32
Miss Bimbo
Not sure you read my post correctly. 
I am proposing that manually created alt accounts should not be banned.
However accounts created by bots will be banned. 
Karol has assured me that bots can not create accounts on Ximboland anyway as we use certain mechanisms which force users to verify an account manually at account sign up stage ie like logging in to an email to verify and only one email account allowed in the database etc 




12.12.2023 16:43:32

Dye96
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Dye96
12.12.2023 16:44:11
Dye96
Supreme Bimbo Judge - soooo another player, similar to PH, but who isn't PH - make it make sense

I think the Fashion Police team will enjoy a break from policing the forum - you're free do moderate yourself! I'd love to compare thoughts on this - I personally had literal nightmares about this, waking up at 5am to clear the forum from idiot spammers, having headaches etc. Curious if you'll have a different experience :D

12.12.2023 16:44:11
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