After reading the last 3 pages of this post I can only say we are beating a dead horse here, over and over. 
I am trying to understand why are you, Chris, pushing so many things that you clearly don't know how they work.
I have been part of PH for more than 2 years, a few months as Fashion Police member and more than an year as Agnostica's State Minister. So lets say in around 2 years (more for sure) I never saw you gathering the Pink House to a private discussion about the site health, as a owner should do. As you ca see the majority of people from PH are the same for a while, because we have the time and patience to deal with every bullshit we get thrown at. I really wished to see you once in a while come up to us to check up what's happening, to listen to our problems and our ideas to improve the site. Instead you come in the forum once a year and post some fantasy things you wish you would have without getting some proper opinions first.

Alt accounts are a huge problem, ignoring the fact that rigging elections is possible, having alt accounts is disrupting the game. From voting, to reputation, etc. You know how the game works right Chris?
But I can say, one alt should be acceptable if we implement a linking system. The alt to be linked directly to main account and that being visible. Also, alt account should not be able to vote in PXFC and PB elections. Alts should make for the sole purpose of having fun, different dressing bimbo style, etc

State ministers should be voted by every member from their state as long they are a citizen, everyone deserves the right to vote in a democracy, right?
But Prime Bimbo can be voted by senators, even tho' that it's not really fair for every citizen. Not everyone wants or can afford the membership (being a senator).

I continue to state my opinion, that you and us (PH) should have private conversations at least once per month to clear the site's state. 
And I continue to say that we should focus on the fashion part of the game, because this is what everyone wants here, to play a dress up game, not politics. 



 

Miss Bimbo wrote:

bxdcherri wrote:

Chris, bots have their own emails. We get multiple reports a day about bot accounts. They are 100% on this site.

What if I tell you that its not possible for a bot to go through a series of steps that only manual humans can do? 

Miss Bimbo wrote:

Not sure you read my post correctly.
I am proposing that manually created alt accounts should not be banned.
However accounts created by bots will be banned.
Karol has assured me that bots can not create accounts on Ximboland anyway as we use certain mechanisms which force users to verify an account manually at account sign up stage ie like logging in to an email to verify and only one email account allowed in the database etc

Listen, Chris, at this point it's clear you're trying to do your best to make this website into what you originally created it to be, unfortunately for you - it has simply progressed in a different direction, a direction I might add, that has been dictated by the community. The same community that you claim to hold so dear to your heart. That being said, lets leave politics aside for a moment.

The two quotes above have strengthened my theory that you simply don't have the level of expertise or management skills to oversee this website, or even understand how it works. Instead, (like most people to be completely fair) you have relied on outside contractors to such a degree that you have begun to take their word as gospel, when it is clear they themselves don't have the expertise to back up their claims.

If you would like me to, I will personally demonstrate to you on a video conference call, the step by step process of how to make a rudimentary artificially intelligent bot, that not only can create an account on it's own, but pass all of the authentication checks and then begin to play the game. As unbelievable as it may sound, it is laughably easy to do. I estimate it to take me about an hour or so to program a bot to at least create an account on the website.

I believe there was recently a case in which a player was banned for using an automated bot to farm duel victories for months on end before they were discovered. The process they used (while we don't know exactly) is likely to be a similar process to that which I would demonstrate.

Let me know,
Ričard Sirene

Iowa, I can see how posting something like that is quite scary. Considering your mentioned experiences with the PH, youre quite brave to come forward with this publicly. 

I can see things are getting a little heated in here -  that is a good thing. Good honest open debate is to be encouraged. 

One thing I would like to do at this point is to call on everyone to remain reasonable and as measured as possible in their tone and responses. I know I am guilty of getting emotional and using the wrong tone of and choice of words sometimes. So I apologise for that. 

I would like to personally thank all the Bimbo leaders eg ex Pbs, state minsters, FP and Pink House for their hardwork and efforts over the years. It can not be easy for you to now have me challenge you and some of your actions when you have worked with good intentions for the betterment of Bimboland over all these years. But challenge you I must.
I politely request that you please maintain the leadership qualities that made people vote for you in the first place eg by staying calm under scrutiny, explaining things calmly and clearly and without resorting to personal abuse . I know its not easy but if we want to live in a healthy democracy then our leaders must be able to stand up to scrutiny.
I would like to ask you a simple question - if I cant hold you to account without being abused and met with very threatening and hostile responses then how would a random newcomer Bimbo  feel/ever have the confidence to challenge you or hold you to account?
How can our community/democracy grow and improve if our leaders are afraid of being challenged publicly?  

Richard Fromage wrote:

Miss Bimbo wrote:

bxdcherri wrote:

Chris, bots have their own emails. We get multiple reports a day about bot accounts. They are 100% on this site.

What if I tell you that its not possible for a bot to go through a series of steps that only manual humans can do? 

Miss Bimbo wrote:

Not sure you read my post correctly.
I am proposing that manually created alt accounts should not be banned.
However accounts created by bots will be banned.
Karol has assured me that bots can not create accounts on Ximboland anyway as we use certain mechanisms which force users to verify an account manually at account sign up stage ie like logging in to an email to verify and only one email account allowed in the database etc

Listen, Chris, at this point it's clear you're trying to do your best to make this website into what you originally created it to be, unfortunately for you - it has simply progressed in a different direction, a direction I might add, that has been dictated by the community. The same community that you claim to hold so dear to your heart. That being said, lets leave politics aside for a moment.

The two quotes above have strengthened my theory that you simply don't have the level of expertise or management skills to oversee this website, or even understand how it works. Instead, (like most people to be completely fair) you have relied on outside contractors to such a degree that you have begun to take their word as gospel, when it is clear they themselves don't have the expertise to back up their claims.

If you would like me to, I will personally demonstrate to you on a video conference call, the step by step process of how to make a rudimentary artificially intelligent bot, that not only can create an account on it's own, but pass all of the authentication checks and then begin to play the game. As unbelievable as it may sound, it is laughably easy to do. I estimate it to take me about an hour or so to program a bot to at least create an account on the website.

I believe there was recently a case in which a player was banned for using an automated bot to farm duel victories for months on end before they were discovered. The process they used (while we don't know exactly) is likely to be a similar process to that which I would demonstrate.

Let me know,
Ričard Sirene

Hi Richard
Yes the direction of Ximboland at present is a Community/democracy led fashion game.
I am now asking for your and everyone's help in transitioning to a community/democracy led social media website. (with a side helping of game). 
The worlds first democratic social media site improving on what facebook/twitter already do by doing the same things but under different democratically elected leaderships. 

So there are 2 main elements I would like to develop/improve 

1) Democracy and open ness - as discussed previously

2) Social media - building a wall and allowing followers and creating creators 

With regards to your kind invitation above about teh bot. Yes please add me/invite me to whatever meeting you like - [email protected] 
I am curious to see how you can create a bot and what we can do to stop that bot. I am assuming you can not create a bot that could possibly go through 21 levels of the game and also then vote in an election right? 
I want to be in a position where we can all confidently say to everyone - our elections are not influenced by bots because we have made it impossible for a bot to navigate and only a human could possible navigate through various tricky paths.

Also the result of that would mean we dont have to ban alt accounts either 

my email is [email protected] 

Pollyx wrote:

Hi, Chris. Please read this message. Long post, but important.

If you continue down this road you are going to destroy your site. You are going to lose all of the best people, people who have been here for years. You are going to lose new people who love the site, too. You are going to lose the Pink House and FP. You are not just going to have no opposition for PB, you will have absolutely zero people who want to run. It is already difficult to gain new SMs, and you will quickly have none. You will have NO democracy, you will have NO government, you will have NO ONE spending money in the treasury. I mean this in the most literal extreme sense, not as a threat but as a warning. This is serious. You are going to destroy your site. You are going to lose even the few people who want to be in this government.

Right now you are making a decent amount of passive income from a site that essentially run itself based on the passion of players. You are going to lose that. Your site will not function. Without passionate people to run it, not only will nothing be improved for players but existing things players enjoy and respect will fall apart.

You are insulting your player base. You are insulting the Pink House and members of FP. You are insulting people who not only pay your bills but run your site for you. Right now you seem to have no idea how good you have it to do so little work and have people who are willing to run your site FOR you out of pure love and passion alone, and all they expect in return is basic respect and for you to not completely tear apart this site for your unrealistic ideals that DO NOT match with site culture or needs.

I am a newer player but I am a passionate player. I ADORE this site when it is free from totalitarian control and drama. I would love to be PB at some point, or thought I would love to until now! I have the time and I have the passion and work ethic, but I would NOT run if you hold threats of taking office, allowing unlimited alt accounts, allowing dangerous activity onsite, make hate speech allowed, etc. I would not want to put my work into a site if you are just going to come in and change everything and hurt the players and hurt the PH. I recently became an SM at the beginning of December, but your announcements and this thread have created an unbelievable amount of stress for people who run your site for you and YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE THEM. Long-term players (like Kirsty above!) are going to abandon this site and leave you scrambling when you have no idea how the site runs day-to-day! You are acting like players and PH and FP will "understand" your ideas enough and accept them and everything will be how you want, but that is not how it will go. You are seriously going to lose your best people, the people you rely on to run your site for you.

Your players and FP and PH are not LAZY, they are hardworking, passionate people who RUN YOUR SITE FOR YOU. For FREE. We even pay for the privilege. You look at this, at this passion, at these users who almost unilaterally disagree with you and dislike these ideas, and you spit in their faces. I would advise extreme caution. Continuing down this road is not going to "fix" your site according to your ideas, it is going to destroy it. Your actions are going to tear your site apart at the seams.

This is going to be my last post in this thread. I have been quiet after my first post because of the headache this has caused and I simply cannot handle this behavior anymore. This is ruining the site for people who come here for the community and to play a game they like. It may not be exactly what you want and YOU may not care about the dress-up game, but that's what everyone else is here for, and if you force them to engage with content like what you have put above, you will not have a site anymore, you will not make money off it it anymore. There's not really anything else to say.

Everyone, take care of yourselves, stop reading this thread if you can, and happy holidays.

Thanks for your kind message and concerns but please be rest assured that I have no intentions or ruining anything for anyone. 
I am simply doing my job as President to hold the government to high standards. And I urge you to do the same. A healthy community/democracy must have an open dialogue and an ability to challenge those in power. 
It is possible for me to hold 2 positions at the same time ie 

1) To be sincerely grateful to all the Bimbo leaders for their work so far. We have had success. We have had great times 

2) To be concerned about our democracy. We have had a a democracy that is 'functioning' to a certain degree but it also appears that we have a democracy that is  'rigged' or 'managed' to a certain degree by those in power.  By that I mean it seems clear  by now that the role of the Prime Bimbo is largely passed from one existing Pink House member to another and then when they are in power no one stands against them. It is a democracy in a sense but its is not a pure and fair one. It is a distinct advantage to be an existing PH/FP member and its very hard  for any newcomer to win at an election. There is also an unwritten rule that no one can openly challenge the government or hold them to account. 
I do not mean to share these things to upset or undermine the existing Bimbo leadership -  I am simply stating facts. And I take full responsibility for all this because it was me that started Ximboland. And so I  am simply looking at ways to improve the situation and asking for your help to do so. 


Overall I am proud of how far we have come. We have come a long way from when I was president and interim PB and Bebe and HLB were the only PBs who would step up and do the job. We have defo improved a lot since then. And we will get better again so please don't let my challenging you dishearten you too much.
We are all doing our best and my overriding emotion is one of being grateful to everyone despite our flaws. 

Iowa wrote:

i'm not completely following everything being discussed in this thread and i'm not going to try at this time because it's a lot and i haven't been active in recent months; those of you familiar with me know that. but i just want to make my case:

the rules stating that any staff member can just punish at their own discretion and that punishments can not be discussed publicly are so unfair it is almost laughable. there is absolutely no possibility for accountability or recourse if someone receives unfair treatment. we just have to trust that anyone who ever attains a position of authority on this site is an angel who will never misuse their punishment powers. i am not willing to give that trust for a few reasons.

1. this is my second account (this is not a secret). my first account, juggalo rights, was banned at the same time as a handful of my friends. none of us were ever told why. when other people inquired, they were told 'they know what they did'. when i directly contacted the prime bimbo at the time on discord to ask, i was told 'you're not supposed to be in the game anymore' and was blocked. not a SINGLE person i or anyone else asked at the time could provide an answer as to why we had all been permabanned at once. and even before that there was insane forum censorship. question actions of staff? post deleted. ask why someone was banned or jailed? post deleted. ask why posts are being deleted? post deleted! plus keep in mind this was BEFORE the 'staff can ban anyone at their own discretion and you can't talk about it' rule, so players who experience what my friends and i experienced do not even have the avenues that we had, which were basically fuck-all as you can see.

2. on this account i have been frivolously punished multiple times as have other people. at one time there was a subreddit dedicated to people discussing the game in any way they felt like as long as it wasn't overtly inflammatory. there are numerous posts on the subreddit about people being banned or jailed out of the blue, including new players asking what they could've done wrong. i made the mistake of mentioning my account by name, and as a result i was jailed a total of three times, including once for an entire month, for participating in the subreddit and criticizing some of the actions of pink house members. because of that, people were so afraid to voice any criticisms towards this site's staff that they made BURNER ACCOUNTS to post on the subreddit to remove any chance of them being recognized so they wouldn't be punished on-site. to top it all off, a player shared screenshots on the subreddit of a member of the pink house contacting them about a separate matter, and then asking them to find out what players were posting on the subreddit. when the player refused, they were permabanned. this is the environment that was created: players walking on eggshells, not knowing if they're going to be punished at the whims of one of the staff, and if they are, having literally no recourse because they can't publicly talk about it; site staff having complete freedom to essentially blackmail players into doing what they want. this kind of system is literally just asking for corruption and abuse and that's exactly what has happened on multiple occasions.

3. because of the experiences i have had, i am not willing to fully believe the story we were presented about the cowboy gang. my trust has been completely broken. but since i'm not directly involved with that i'm not going to delve too deep into that; i want to focus on the above points, i just thought i would mention it since i've seen them discussed in this thread.

i have proof and screenshots of all of the above but i will not share them nor name specific names unless chris asks me to because i am not here to start drama or make people look bad, i am here to contribute to the discussion. but to people who might claim that i'm making this up or exaggerating, know that i have proof.

to make a few things clear: this is not me being bitter and angry towards people i think have wronged me. i love this game. i do not want to see it fail. i love the dress up and the community who have worked so hard to make it a fun, rewarding, creative experience. i stopped playing because that was overshadowed by the horrific interactions i had had with the pink house over and over and over with no signs of improvement, and i know i'm not the only one; people have told me as such. i do not want to see this game dragged down because people keep having that experience and dont want to play anymore. there HAS to be accountability.

i hope that what i'm saying here can be constructive. i'm genuinely afraid that i'm going to be banned for posting this based on everything i've gone through with this site but i feel like i have to try. if democracy on ximboland is being discussed, these things must be brought up. i KNOW things can be better.

Thanks for your brave message. I suspect  there are others whom feel like this and I am sorry for what has happened. No i do not wish you to name anyone or take this any further because I suspect that the Pink House and leaders were simply doing their best and doing what they believed to be right at the time. It is me who takes full responsibility for all the wrong doings and it is me whom will make the changes to make this place better moving forward. 
So please can you help with suggestions as to how to create the best possible Ximboland we can. 
To start with I am suggesting these changes 

a) I appoint an independent chief justice Bimbo.
They are a player whom knows Bimboland well and knows me well and understands that they must be neutral and impartial to politics . Their sole job is to oversee and maintain democracy at all times and to hold the Pink House to account - a bit like I am doing now. Perhaps they should be chosen from ex PBs but they also have to swear neutrality and allegiance to me Miss Bimbo and the constitution of Ximboland. 

b) We open up elections so that anyone who is a senator can stand for PB 

c) We remove the need for banning alt accounts by legalising alt accounts. To ensure that alt accounts cant influence elections too much we make it very hard to vote so that we know every vote was done manually by a human. 

d) In my new years clemency list I will pardon a number of Ximbos whom were sent to exile when they shouldn't have been. Please drop me an email with the names of any of you or friends whom are genuine loyal Ximbos but whom were harshly exiled for life. [email protected]

"By that I mean it seems clear by now that the role of the Prime Bimbo is largely passed from one existing Pink House member to another and then when they are in power no one stands against them."

Just to clarify this statement Only State Ministers's can run for Prime Bimbo which means only Pink House memeber can run. That is not our fault but yours, your rules and programing on your site. This is why i suggested going back to old system where any senator can run, which you liked the idea of.

Hi Chris,

I wasn't going to keep replying any more because you keep contradicting yourself but I just wanted to throw a few questions out regarding the new proposed changes

A) Independent Chief Justice Bimbo

1. How will you ensure this person doesn't encounter the same biases and issues the Pink House have supposedly run into in the past?
2. Will this be a paid position?
3. How will this be appointed?
4. How long would they be in post?
5. What are the benefits of this post compared to you taking a more active role in the running of your website, working together with the elected Prime Bimbo, was that not the original purpose of the system?

B) Opening up elections
1. What vetting of the candidates will occur? At present we are very limited in who can stand but the candidates can at least demonstrate commitment to the game through their work as state minister.

C) Allowing alts
1. You've mentioned cheating for Prime Bimbo election will be minimised by the upper level for voter eligibility. What will be done to prevent cheating in fashion fights, contests, debates? This would defeat the point of the game for me, there's no point in playing the game and taking part if the winners are people cheating the game. You only need 5 votes to win a fashion fight.
2. If the game is flooded with cheaters, will this be the community you were hoping to create?

D) Clemency for banned accounts
1. What support will you be offering to the Fashion police and Pink House staff regards to managing the website?
2. Are you happy for harmful content to he posted on your forums? Stuff that may very well get you in legal trouble?

And finally, you mention transitioning the website into a social media website:
1. What improvements will be made to the current social features on the site? The forum is very hard to use on mobile.
2. What new features are you going to implement to achieve this?
3. What financial investment will you be putting into the website to develop these new features?
4. What are the time frames for their implementation?