Ximboland democracy failures and how to address it

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12.12.2023 17:35:53
Miss Bimbo

I put it to you that the current standing Prime Bimbos standing unopposed is as much an example of rigging an election as having alts ever will be. Yet no one here has pointed that out at all as far as I can see ? 

How can an unopposed election be anything but a rigged win for the incumbent? 

12.12.2023 17:35:53

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12.12.2023 17:39:11
Honey Beee

I’m just curious to know why are we equating “default” to “rigged” and why having the current prime bimbo be elected by default a failure of democracy? There are many lovely ximbos that want to run for pb in the future and would like to have their terms respected for the “norm” of 3 terms each as I have experienced on the site. I feel like we should respect each PB’s rule and allow them to have their usual 3 terms, otherwise I feel like this undermines the PB and the PH… those are just my thoughts on this

12.12.2023 17:39:11

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12.12.2023 17:40:16
Miss Bimbo

It seems everyone is very quick to shoot down my solutions to problems that are clear but I dont see anyone holding to account the existing government and problems we face ie undemocratic elections/loyal bimbos banned for life.

The only solutions i hear back are lazy solutions like - 
'pay the PB more'

The reality is we have passed through the stage of 'early democracy' and we must now evolve as we become a better and more mature democracy 

12.12.2023 17:40:16

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12.12.2023 17:42:13
Miss Bimbo

Honey Beee wrote:
I’m just curious to know why are we equating “default” to “rigged” and why having the current prime bimbo be elected by default a failure of democracy? There are many lovely ximbos that want to run for pb in the future and would like to have their terms respected for the “norm” of 3 terms each as I have experienced on the site. I feel like we should respect each PB’s rule and allow them to have their usual 3 terms, otherwise I feel like this undermines the PB and the PH… those are just my thoughts on this
This just shows how far democracy has  fallen. There is noting that states PBs deserve or should have 3 terms. Why do you believe this? The best person should win regardless of if its 1 or 2 or 3 terms. 

12.12.2023 17:42:13

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12.12.2023 17:51:31
Gemima1984

Bit rich of you to drop the word lazy whilst you rake in like a grand a month for fuck all work whilst everyone else runs your website, dude.

12.12.2023 17:51:31
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12.12.2023 17:53:32
KirstyD8

Hurty words? What are we 5?

In Ximboland jurisdiction? So you don't think players on this site shouldn't be protected from other players who they got introduced to them on this site and then decided to stalked and harrassed them on other platforms just because it's not all on this site. Yet players wouldn't have to deal with it if they didn't meet them on Ximboland first?

Many people in this thread has given you alot of legit reasons not to unban people and your not listening because you have your own agenda and not caring what will happen to the communtity on this site. You are clearly deflecting everything anyone has to say on the matter, looking for reason to bring them back. So Why don't you stop beating aroung the bush and the charade about it and just do it because you clearly want to. With that this community will turn negative and you will lose alot of players.
So many are already talking about leaving if this happens. People come on here to unwind and relax not to be harrassed, stalked or bullied.

"Then on top of that we have an issue with the existing government having a natural inclination or bias towards those people they like and therefore having the fashion police actually police the opposition to the potential downfall of their own government is open and rife for abuse."
1. You have proved your bias to banned players
2.Who are you to speak on my feeling on someone? I have not acted in anyway unreasonable when it comes to the Fashion Police work. If your going to claim that we the Fashion Police have this issue show the proof of it.

When is it ever okay to cheat to win? Like seriously real election in real world, tell me what would happen?

" I dont think so personally because they did not

a) encourage violence against anyone
b) they did not encourage hacking or violence of Ximboland "

Like you said you personally don't but everyone else who is on the site day to day does. You was told they threatened to chop people legs off but thats not violence right?

You actually have no idea how the PH runs and what they can and can't do. Your knowelwedge on how it runs comes from 3 years ago. Maybe you should ask PB, SMs and FP how they do things and how it works because clearly you have no clue.

Check reports, it's filled with bots. But since you probaly won't heres a profile link to a bot with a link in their about me - https://ximbo.land/ximbo/cqmvvs45/87938

If you bring these unbanned players back please remove my FP tools when you do because i will not sit there and be harrassed by these people because that is what they do. In fact i will probably leave all together.

12.12.2023 17:53:32
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12.12.2023 18:34:32
Pollyx

Hi, Chris. Please read this message. Long post, but important.

If you continue down this road you are going to destroy your site. You are going to lose all of the best people, people who have been here for years. You are going to lose new people who love the site, too. You are going to lose the Pink House and FP. You are not just going to have no opposition for PB, you will have absolutely zero people who want to run. It is already difficult to gain new SMs, and you will quickly have none. You will have NO democracy, you will have NO government, you will have NO ONE spending money in the treasury. I mean this in the most literal extreme sense, not as a threat but as a warning. This is serious. You are going to destroy your site. You are going to lose even the few people who want to be in this government.

Right now you are making a decent amount of passive income from a site that essentially run itself based on the passion of players. You are going to lose that. Your site will not function. Without passionate people to run it, not only will nothing be improved for players but existing things players enjoy and respect will fall apart.

You are insulting your player base. You are insulting the Pink House and members of FP. You are insulting people who not only pay your bills but run your site for you. Right now you seem to have no idea how good you have it to do so little work and have people who are willing to run your site FOR you out of pure love and passion alone, and all they expect in return is basic respect and for you to not completely tear apart this site for your unrealistic ideals that DO NOT match with site culture or needs.

I am a newer player but I am a passionate player. I ADORE this site when it is free from totalitarian control and drama. I would love to be PB at some point, or thought I would love to until now! I have the time and I have the passion and work ethic, but I would NOT run if you hold threats of taking office, allowing unlimited alt accounts, allowing dangerous activity onsite, make hate speech allowed, etc. I would not want to put my work into a site if you are just going to come in and change everything and hurt the players and hurt the PH. I recently became an SM at the beginning of December, but your announcements and this thread have created an unbelievable amount of stress for people who run your site for you and YOU ARE GOING TO LOSE THEM. Long-term players (like Kirsty above!) are going to abandon this site and leave you scrambling when you have no idea how the site runs day-to-day! You are acting like players and PH and FP will "understand" your ideas enough and accept them and everything will be how you want, but that is not how it will go. You are seriously going to lose your best people, the people you rely on to run your site for you.

Your players and FP and PH are not LAZY, they are hardworking, passionate people who RUN YOUR SITE FOR YOU. For FREE. We even pay for the privilege. You look at this, at this passion, at these users who almost unilaterally disagree with you and dislike these ideas, and you spit in their faces. I would advise extreme caution. Continuing down this road is not going to "fix" your site according to your ideas, it is going to destroy it. Your actions are going to tear your site apart at the seams.

This is going to be my last post in this thread. I have been quiet after my first post because of the headache this has caused and I simply cannot handle this behavior anymore. This is ruining the site for people who come here for the community and to play a game they like. It may not be exactly what you want and YOU may not care about the dress-up game, but that's what everyone else is here for, and if you force them to engage with content like what you have put above, you will not have a site anymore, you will not make money off it it anymore. There's not really anything else to say.

Everyone, take care of yourselves, stop reading this thread if you can, and happy holidays.

12.12.2023 18:34:32
(full version with links in other tabs of my profile as well as my xeets) Hey all, this is your Minister of Fashion
Pollyx! I can be wordy, and am here, so here’s a TLDR for those who
trust me and just want to know the gist of it: Seriously, for real,
actually this time, cancel your Senatorships. Do not spend money on the
site. Remove the site’s access to your paypal. Do not volunteer for the
site or run for public office. This includes designing for the shop! Designers and prospective designers, I absolutely love you all to death, but this has got to stop.Anyway, the longer version:SweetasNuts,
the owner of this site, is an abusive person and known cheapskate who
refuses to hire new staff or adequately pay his existing staff in favor
of exploiting free labor from his users. Those who DO volunteer for him,
sometimes paying for the privilege of doing so, are treated
abhorrently, subjected to gaslighting and emotional abuse both publicly
and privately. I have personally experienced rampant mistreatment from
SweetasNuts (as have many others) as recently as today!If
you want an example, check any SweetasNuts thread and read it. I don’t
feel a need to drop a bunch of receipts below when it’s overwhelmingly
clear, but I hope those of you who know the love I’ve put into this site
will take me at my word. I have loved Ximboland and love it
still. At various points I have put more than full time hours into this
website and the shop in an attempt to make things better—usually
completely unpaid, as I did a lot of work before I became Minister of
Fashion. The saddest part, at the end of it, is that no matter how much I
work and how much love I put in the site will always get worse on
average or nosedive into oblivion (as we are seeing right now) due to
actions of trolls, hackers, or most primarily—Chris himself.There are numerous sources online which discuss Chris’s behavior as a business owner in-depth, both on this site and on its previous iteration, Miss Bimbo. It’s pretty clear the guy is a troll who likes when people get upset and throw a fit. In that sense, he may love this post!If
you’d like one recent example of someone bringing up issues to Chris,
being subjected to abuse, and being unable to sway Chris away from
terrible decisions, here’s one from a little over a year ago!
And yet nothing changes—the same cycles continue. New people join, they
see the community is lovely yet has a few flaws, perhaps some bad eggs
(rampant trolls), or maybe someone in the Pink House seems like they’re
abusing their power. They work really hard to rise up, join the
government, fight the “enemies” of the day, etc. and the whole thing
just causes chaos and misery for the most part and the site owner sits
back with popcorn.Oh wait, I forgot when Chris put numerous
ximbos (some who disagreed with him, others unprompted to my
understanding) on trial last year for having “bad fashion”! Here’s the trial for Melpomene, renowned designer, shop worker, and previous Antitheocra SM. Here’s the trial for KittyOnyx, who criticized Chris’s behavior. This one’s for Dean Winchester,
who made the grievous mistake of wearing a pink thong as a himbo.
Egregious, right! How dare a man dress in pink? Anyway, moving on.
Anyone care to share older “Chris is consistently a huge jerk to his
players and volunteers and never listens or fixes the site” examples
below?Now, when I talk about “volunteering” for the site
(aka what I am trying to convince you not to do), here are the positions
I mean:Partially paid (larger treasury cut, in theory, but extremely overworked):Prime XimboPartially paid (meager treasury cut —pennies on the hour):Minister of Fashion (gets meager treasury cut—pennies on the hour—so still a volunteer position)Minister of Entertainment (gets meager treasury cut—pennies on the hour—so still a volunteer position)Minister
of Foreign Affairs (gets meager treasury cut—pennies on the hour—so
still a volunteer position, plus you’re doing marketing for free. Not
super fun!)Minister of Justice (gets meager treasury cut—pennies on
the hour—so still a volunteer position, plus you’ll be absolutely
exhausted by the effort of moderation and part of the userbase will hate
you no matter what you do)No promise of payment/unpaid:Fashion Police (exhausting moderation work, now with kneecapped abilities to even stop abuse thanks to SAN)Fashion Worker (the people who upload items to the shop)Fashion
Designer (those who design for the shop—believe me, I have tried very
hard to convince SAN to reward this position in any way but was
unsuccessful)Not only unpaid, but PAYING to do this position:State
Minister (have to pay for Senatorship plus pay for all of the prizes
out of their own pocket—when you receive prizes from an SM, it’s because
they paid for them with real-world money)Please don’t do any
of this! I have been in the Pink House since October 2023 and am very
close with those who have been in or around the PH even longer or in
different time periods. Nothing changes. Talking to the site
owner doesn’t work. It doesn’t matter how you explain it, he won’t
listen and he doesn’t care because he continues to make enough passive
income to ignore people’s complaints. So what now?Well, first, let’s stop giving him that passive income, especially
given the recent major hacking incident has proven AGAIN that the site
is not secure. Chris is a liar—do not trust him when he says your
payment information is fully secure just because of Paypal, that is not
necessarily true. Remove your Paypal from XL (on the Paypal end) and
consider removing your bank accounts from Paypal for the time being,
better safe than sorry.When you spend money on this site, it
does not go to the people running it, to those who put in love and time
into moderation, the shop, contests, and even advertising the site. It
goes to Chris, who does not pay his staff properly and does not improve
the site. He only makes it worse based on his agenda. A small amount of
Senatorship goes to the government ministers, sure, but the amount is
not significant enough to matter (and there’s decent evidence that the
treasury doesn’t even reflect what it should be—⅓ of the cost of all
Senator subs). Besides, half of the treasury this term will go to
KatieBoutique (since she and her alt Slayyyocrates are both ministers),
and if any of you have been paying any attention to Katie that will
likely ruffle your feathers.It’s not worth contributing to
this place financially. It does not help the site grow. It does not go
to fixing bugs. It does not go to adding a mobile scroll bar. It does
not pay your favorite designer. It does not fix minigame glitches. It
likely won’t go to refunding people’s State Wars purchases after the
hack or restoring corrupted outfits (IF restoring them is even
possible). Cancel your Senatorship, never buy top-ups, don’t volunteer
your time for the site, and turn on ad block! Don’t let Chris get your ad revenue either!That’s
pretty much it. I do have some last thoughts if you’re interested, but
if you don’t care feel free to leave. It’s up to you to decide what to
do now. You can still help the site if you want to, but I strongly
believe it’s really only going to degrade, and as shown by the hacking
incident, this site really isn’t secure. It’s built on popsicle sticks.
You could lose all of this at any moment. Are all these users who lost
their outfits ever going to get them back? It’s really hard to say.Secondarily,
if you want to make a difference in the world there are a million
better places to do it than on XL. If you want to make art in a
community, lots of ways to do that too. Art Fight, a yearly event, is
great for this. You could make a game, write a novel, make outfits in
the Sims, join another dressup game (I hear some people here are making
one), generally touch grass. We should all touch grass. If it’s about
making the world a better place for you, maybe you could join a local
chapter of an organization that means something to you or donate what
you WOULD have spent on top-ups to a good cause. Join a rally, write an
op-ed, talk to people you love about what matters.If you want
to keep in touch with me, feel free to message anyone on XL you have on
Discord and they can probably connect us, I’ve got a lot of people
added.Alright, and now that we get to the end I just
want to shout out the users who have spent a lot of time showing love to
the users and uplifting the site as a whole. None of them asked for
this or even know that I’m doing this, so I won’t list them by name as
much as category. I may have individual personal issues with some people
on this site (not most), but I think this is kind of beyond that. We
are all victims of an exploitative site owner who constantly sets the
site up for interpersonal conflict because he finds it hot. He gets off on all these sexy bimbo avatars going at each other’s throats. So this is kind of an act of solidarity in that.Thank
you to all past and present government ministers, prime ximbos, state
ministers, fashion police, fashion designers, fashion workers, and
anyone else who has run contests or events.Thank you to the
active duelers staying up late into the night, the state generals and
citizens fighting for their state, those who help others get their
curious badge, those who leave comments on all the new players’
profiles, those who share gifs on weird gif wednesday, those who share
support when someone says they’re struggling or upvote posts in
Reputation Points Helper thread. Thank you, even, to those
I’ve fought with, those I’ve made up with, those I still dislike, those
who grate at my nerves. You’re part of the site, too, an ecosystem we
all exist in—this insular little community. Though of course I
will be leaving this community now, probably permanently. Not sure
about emigration yet—we’ll see. But I’ve got big things coming up soon
in my life and I can’t have this site’s nonsense messing with my groove.I’ve
loved growing as a person through my interactions with each of you and
I’ve loved designing and adding for the shop and running events and
making outfits and all of it, but I hate the way the site is run by
Chris (which is: generally not run at all, and if it is it’s done
maliciously). I hate receiving constant abuse from the site owner and
trolls and hackers and I hate seeing other people experience that too. I
hate that this site many of us feel is a second home has become so
foul, is rotting from the inside because of neglect and mistreatment
from the site owner. I had enough mold in my real life home last year,
as many of you know, and find myself uninterested in choking on the
spores here.Anyway, so much love, care about you all (except
in those few cases where the feeling of dislike is mutual, in which case
I say one last hearty “fuck you!”). Stay slutty, babes.







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12.12.2023 18:46:41
KatieBoutique

Who is eligible to vote in a state or PB election?
I am going from memory...
You have to be at a certain level and need to pass the citizenship test.

Need verification of that.

12.12.2023 18:46:41
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SweetasNuts IS the King of Diamonds.  Not the 2 of Spades.
Ximboland IS the Ace of Hearts.  Not the Joker.
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12.12.2023 18:49:54
bxdcherri

Yeah, I wanted to run for PB too polly, but not after this. You have completely ignored most points, and made excuses for others. There's countless evidence in this thread where people have demonstrated they do not like your ideas. There's countless evidence where you have demonstrated you don't know how your own site works, asking players and PH to explain things you don't even know are happening. You are encouraging us to challenge the government. WE ARE. WE ARE LITERALLY TELLING YOU WE HATE YOUR IDEAS AND YOU ARE WRONG.

You've thrown everything we've said back in our faces and have the audacity to call us lazy whilst we pay you to run your own site. It's despicable. As a State Minister, I do everything I can to keep players happy and involved in the site and they are the ONLY reason I am still paying you and still playing this GAME.

12.12.2023 18:49:54

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12.12.2023 19:13:07
Blecky89

KatieBoutique wrote:
Who is eligible to vote in a state or PB election?
I am going from memory...
You have to be at a certain level and need to pass the citizenship test.

Need verification of that.
You need to be lvl 21. For SM elections can vote state members for PB elections all Ximboland. 

12.12.2023 19:13:07
    

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