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Ximboland democracy failures and how to address it

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01.12.2023
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Miss Bimbo
Miss Bimbo
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14.12.2023 12:26:07
Miss Bimbo

Gemima1984 wrote:
Hi Chris,

I wasn't going to keep replying any more because you keep contradicting yourself but I just wanted to throw a few questions out regarding the new proposed changes

A) Independent Chief Justice Bimbo

1. How will you ensure this person doesn't encounter the same biases and issues the Pink House have supposedly run into in the past?
Yes this is tricky isnt it? This is a big challenge. We need to create a position that encourages someone to put aside friendships and rivalries and to purt Ximbolands democracy first at all times. Biases and friendships are inherent in all of us so its not going to be easy. I guess there are 2 possibilities 

a) the role is only open to ex PBs - therefore we are assuming ex PBs are the 'best of Ximboland' and they will strive  to put Ximbiolands democracy  before personal tit for tats. 

b) the role is only open to someone whom has never even been a PB or State minster or Fashion Police ie teh thinking here is that this creates a check and a balance to the existing people in power. 

Then how are they appointed? I guess they are either appointed in by me or someone in Boob Palace they are voted in by the Ximbo pupulace
What do you think?  
2. Will this be a paid position?
Yes perhaps a split of teh PB takings should go to the Chief Justice BImbo eg 20% 
What do you think?
3. How will this be appointed?

As above
4. How long would they be in post?
Not sure.
3 months? 6 months? 
5. What are the benefits of this post compared to you taking a more active role in the running of your website, working together with the elected Prime Bimbo, was that not the original purpose of the system?
Ideally someday soon and with your help I will be able to retire Miss Bimbo and she just be the founder and figurehead of Ximboland. I would like everything to run smoothly and efficiently with a number of checks and balances in place playing off against each other to defend our hard fought democracy. A bit like the Queen of England - the Queen was a figurehead only and never spoke about politics. I think Miss Bimbo should be the same. She should be seen, respected, admired but not heard. 
So where does that leave me (Chris). Yes again like Miss Bimbo I would like things to be able to run and grow with me in the background only ever being called into action or called upon if there is a time of crisis. Ideally the Prime Bimbo and their team and all the checks and balances would be able to work to manage the community/democracy and also work closely with Boob Palace/Karol (developer) to get things done development wise. 



B) Opening up elections
1. What vetting of the candidates will occur? At present we are very limited in who can stand but the candidates can at least demonstrate commitment to the game through their work as state minister.
In my view it should be 3 months as a senator and that is enough


C) Allowing alts
1. You've mentioned cheating for Prime Bimbo election will be minimised by the upper level for voter eligibility. What will be done to prevent cheating in fashion fights, contests, debates? This would defeat the point of the game for me, there's no point in playing the game and taking part if the winners are people cheating the game. You only need 5 votes to win a fashion fight.
2. If the game is flooded with cheaters, will this be the community you were hoping to create?

Yes this part is something I have not thought about. So please share your suggestions. If we allow alt accounts what would be the effect on the 
a) fashion fights?
b) contests?
c) debates?


D) Clemency for banned accounts
1. What support will you be offering to the Fashion police and Pink House staff regards to managing the website?
Well the first thing for me to appreciate and recognise is that the ex PBs, fashion police etc have done a great job and done what has been asked of them in the circumstances they were appointed. Whatever way we look at - this democracy runs on trust.  And that will remain. At the end of  the day I have trust in the PB and their team and we all have to trust the Pb and their team. When push comes to shove they have to make difficulty decisions and sometimes they make errors or are guided by biases. We all have to hope that these new checks and balances - MissBimbo (me) our constitution a chief judge Bimbo, an open free speech valued society will be enough to guide the PB and keep them inline with enough support. 
But ultimately the power lies with teh PB . It is them that ultimately create teh environment and have the power to throw people in jail/exile people. I am minded to offer clemency to those people whom are clear Bimbo patriots. But ultimately it is those people whom will have to come back to the fold and abide by teh laws that the Prime Bimbo puts in place. If they break teh laws then they will get throw into jail again. This time though we will have an independent chief Justice Bimbo and the eyes of society watching everything and so no one will be jailed for hurty words and no real Ximbos will be exiled. Jail should suffice. The word 'permabanned' or 'exiled' are misleading because a perma ban is an execution. The Ximbo is summarily executed right when they are permabanned. Soi we should use the term as it is and stop sugar coating things.
The same when a Ximbo commits Ximbo suicide. I have never understood the argument that we should not use that term simply because those hurty words bother some people. We have to call it what it is - when someone deletes their account they are committing Bimbo suicide. And it should be called that. 

2. Are you happy for harmful content to he posted on your forums? Stuff that may very well get you in legal trouble?
This should be up to the democratically elected prime Bimbo. Its not up to me.
If I were PB then I would be saying - if its ok on Twitter then it should be ok on Ximboland would be my guide. We are an adult site afterall. We are not facebook. But this is something that makes us unique and can make our site special. We are democratically elected and therefore we can have censorship like facebook (leftist) or censorship like Twitter (rightist). That will be up to you to decide 


And finally, you mention transitioning the website into a social media website:
1. What improvements will be made to the current social features on the site? The forum is very hard to use on mobile.
I would like to see Boob Palace/Karol posting direct updates on here and also being held to account by the PB/Pink House. He does a great job behind the scenes but i dont see much communication shared.
My main push is for a) newsfeed/wall/followers b) the ability to monetise content for all users c) forum improvements
2. What new features are you going to implement to achieve this?
as above 
3. What financial investment will you be putting into the website to develop these new features?
I suspect it will be £10/20k 

4. What are the time frames for their implementation?
Not sure yet chatting with Karol 

Thank you for your well constructed and thoughtful message

14.12.2023 12:26:07

Miss Bimbo
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14.12.2023 13:00:46
Miss Bimbo

KirstyD8 wrote:
Miss Bimbo wrote:
KirstyD8 wrote:
"By that I mean it seems clear by now that the role of the Prime Bimbo is largely passed from one existing Pink House member to another and then when they are in power no one stands against them."

Just to clarify this statement Only State Ministers's can run for Prime Bimbo which means only Pink House memeber can run. That is not our fault but yours, your rules and programing on your site. This is why i suggested going back to old system where any senator can run, which you liked the idea of.
Sorry can  you explain what you mean here please.
You are saying only pink house members can run for PB ? Thats wrong for a start. Its only State ministers that can run. 
Also there is no rule that says State Ministers are automatically pink house members.
The Pink House is the official residence of the Prime Bimbo.  The Fashion police are appointed by the Prime Bimbo and the PB can appoint anyone they like. Its quite possible to be a state minster and NOT a member of the Pink House. 

Does this make sense?.

State ministers have been consided apart of pink house for a long time, after all if you click on pink house tab they are there. Everyone knows that state ministers are apart of the pink house. You can may not think that, but we do.
If you didn't know this about the site might be time to catch up with your employees and get to know how things work now. You are clearly not upto date on how things are working and it would be best for you to learn before anything else.
For some reason it was made so that only state ministers can run for PB and it had been like that for some time now, a few years maybe? I can't recall when it changed to that. I think it is unfair for you to blame elections on us when only a few can run for PB. 
Yes its always been only state minsters can run for PB. However in my view the Pink House is made up of the PB and her government. Being a state minister does not entitle you to be part of the PBs government. The PB can appoint whomever they wish to be Fashion police or government minister

14.12.2023 13:00:46

KirstyD8
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14.12.2023 13:04:38
KirstyD8

Well thats your opinion. Most people on the site has a different opinion to it and agree SMs are PH member. My opinion is SMs are PH members. We will have to agree to disagree.

14.12.2023 13:04:38
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bxdcherri
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14.12.2023 13:11:16
bxdcherri

Damn. Only people who haven’t been a part of the SMs or PH can get the new job? That’s okay. I’ll just create an alt 

14.12.2023 13:11:16

Miss Bimbo
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14.12.2023 13:19:08
Miss Bimbo

KirstyD8 wrote:
Well thats your opinion. Most people on the site has a different opinion to it and agree SMs are PH member. My opinion is SMs are PH members. We will have to agree to disagree.
Yes i see when you click on the Pink House link then state ministers are listed. Are you saying this is misleading then?

Senators are also listed but i am assuming you dont think they are all part of Pink House? 
Should we move state minsters and senators to a different page? 

The reality is that teh Prime Bimbo has full and sole power to appoint their own fashion police and government ministers. They have no obligation to choose state ministers whatsoever

14.12.2023 13:19:08

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14.12.2023 13:20:42
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Who is even talking about PB choosing SMs, we are just saying State Ministers are part of the Pink House, as a group. That's it.

14.12.2023 13:20:42

Miss Bimbo
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14.12.2023 13:24:39
Miss Bimbo

Yes and I am saying that state minsters are not part of the pink house by default as you seem to be saying.
A state minster does not automatically become part of the pink house. Its up to the PB to decide whom is in the government and fashion police. If you happen to be chosen to be both State minster and Fashion police/government then that is fine but it not a given 

14.12.2023 13:24:39

bxdcherri
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14.12.2023 13:27:09
bxdcherri

Thanks for letting us all know that Chris, but it’s a good couple of years late

14.12.2023 13:27:09

Melpomene
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14.12.2023 13:31:43
Melpomene

Words are not defined by what their originator had in mind but by how they are used. If 95% of Ximboland user think State Ministers are a part of the Pink House, that might as well be the case and your individual opinion weighs very little

14.12.2023 13:31:43

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Gemima1984
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14.12.2023 13:36:02
Gemima1984

Good afternoon Chris,

A lot to unpack here and I'm probably wasting my time but I'll bite.

Independent Chief Justice Bimbo:
I think appointing somebody who has previously been in the Pink House won't deter biases, I think it'll worsen it. Your next suggestion is maybe better but it would then mean somebody inexperienced in running the site would be calling the shots. I also think it is a bad idea to further cut PB pay, it would only further deincentivise candidates. I personally feel this role is entirely unnecessary and I think if somebody were in place to "keep people in check" it should be somebody consistently in place for stability.

Does your intention to further step back have anything to do with the site being listed up for sale? I think it would probably be better for discussions if you were just upfront, transparent and explained your motivations in a logical, cohesive way because to be honest, you've been all over the place in this thread and it's clear you're not being transparent about your motivations or what you hope to achieve.

Regarding alt accounts - can you please explain to us what the benefits of letting people have lots of alts would be? I really don't understand why you're so insistent on this being something the community needs. Allowing alts would mean people would be easily able to rig fights, debates, contests and then there'd be no point participating. I'd not waste tokens on taking part and I'd not buy tokens to do so further.

Regarding "hurty words", you've been advised repeatedly people are currently banned for being alts, bots or underrage and this isn't currently occurring. For me I'm more concerned about cheaters coming back and making the game unfun for the rest of us.

The bimbo suicide thing is wild, the community told you they don't like it. Why is this a hill you wish to die on?

Thanks for the updates regarding your plans for the social features. It would be good to be involved as a site user in any consultations ahead of changes and for these to be communicated with everybody with clear plans laid out. It would be detrimental to your profits if you spend a bunch of time and money implementing features people won't engage with, after all. Several people have stated they're not interested in the monetisation suggestions you have and it might be beneficial for you to poll your community and ascertain if there's an actual market there.

14.12.2023 13:36:02

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