Ximboland democracy failures and how to address it

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Miss Bimbo

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13.12.2023 14:40:29
Iowa

bxdcherri wrote:

Iowa, I can see how posting something like that is quite scary. Considering your mentioned experiences with the PH, youre quite brave to come forward with this publicly.

I just wanted to say that peoples definitions of the PH are different, based on when you are active. And this is a reminder to everyone, that people who were in PH 2 years ago are completely different to the people in PH now (which the exception of Fashion Police I believe.)

I’m not encouraging people to name names, however referring to these claims as “PH” can be damaging for everyone who currently has that stamp, regardless of if they even know what you are talking about. So please remember that a lot of us are new to the PH and may or may not have been involved.

the pink house now isn't exactly the same as it was at the time but i think the lack of checks and balances is harmful no matter who is currently in the pink house and that was the main point i was making. but you're right and i'm sorry for not making that clear <3

13.12.2023 14:40:29

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bxdcherri

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13.12.2023 17:15:07
bxdcherri

Oh no worries! X

13.12.2023 17:15:07

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bxdcherri

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13.12.2023 17:41:16
bxdcherri

Okay, I honestly expected this thread to keep spiralling but it seems to have turned back into the right direction. I agree with Miss Bimbo, at the end of the day we all have Ximbolands best interest at heart.

It’s good that we have some points to agree on and others to disagree on. And once again I would like to thank Miss Bimbo for showing some interest in the site. Although I am confused on this new proposed position. Isn’t it just redundant? I think having one person that over rules all is a strange way to approach bans. Why not just use the resources we already have? Miss Bimbo, you have the opinions of Prime Bimbo, all state ministers, and all fashion police. Would it not be beneficial to talk to all of us, where we could host a “mini” court case amongst ourselves? That way, there theoretically would be multiple different opinions on a topic. And if there isn’t, it might highlight to you any corruption you might think is happening. I think if you personally were more engaged with the PH, this would solve a lot of issues. I personally am happy to work alongside you and believe, together, we’d be more proactive regarding Ximboland matters. The PH has been working alone for a long time now, which might pave way for “corruption” and what have you. Having you working alongside us as intended, you’d have a better understanding of how Ximboland works in its current state, have a better idea of what the current PB is working towards, have a better understanding of previous bans and any potential upcoming ones. After all, court cases have a Jury for a reason, I feel it’d be more beneficial to communicate with multiple people who have proven their dedication to the Pink House. And eventually, maybe from your own experience of us, you’d be able to tell who is totally unbiased or whatever the goal is you have in mind would be more achievable.

13.12.2023 17:41:16

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halobear8

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13.12.2023 19:26:03
halobear8

I want to edit what I said before because it got so many downvotes and I have better things to say neow.
I might run as Prime Ximbo if nobody else does. Chris, if you'd like to run against me, you obviously could. That would be a more democratic approach instead of leaving this open to be a dictatorship, which nobody wants.
A lot of people on this site just want to play dress up and have their opinions heard (which is why they debate, not for political reasons). If debates had more controversial topics, more political players would be involved. For the players who aren't political, they see no reason to run for the government positions, especially Prime Ximbo. Even then, the more political players don't want to be Prime Ximbo for a lot of reasons:
1. They don't know exactly what the job entails.
2. They know they'd have to spend a lot of time on it, and they don't have the time, mostly for financial reasons.
3. Dealing with the owner of this site who threatens dictatorship.

Also if some debates were wired differently, that'd give a more political aspect to Ximboland. Like if challenging someone in a debate went back and forth instead of just one's general opinion challenged against another's general opinion. I wouldn't want this to be the required debate style, just an option. So that both our dress up game players and out internet republic players can have their respective spaces. This would also incorporate an atmosphere where people's minds can change, and points can be brought up with sources cited (I know some ximbos love to cite their sources and reasoning.

13.12.2023 19:26:03

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13.12.2023 21:09:36
Iowa

i think opening up elections is a fantastic idea. i also think there needs to be static rules about moderation and how punishments are handed out, and these rules need to be made very clear to all users. PBs should absolutely have the ability to make decisions and influence site changes but i don't think anyone should be able to modify the site's rules or terms of service without some kind of referendum, even if it's just a simple yes or no vote on a proposed rule change. this includes forum rules. not only would this mean that PBs aren't able to add rules that give them more power or less oversight but it also means that all users are kept up to date on what the rules are and if/when they are modified.

there also needs to be standardized punishments and someone needs to keep track of past punishments of users (i think this was done at one point but i doubt it still is). there are a few ways this can be done, but i'd recommend either a strike system or having 'tiers' of offenses, e.g. breaking xyz rule is tier 1 which is a verbal warning, another rule is tier 2 which is a 24 hour jailing, etc. this will accomplish a few things. 1. make it clear to users exactly what will happen if they break rules instead of the vague "staff punish at their own discretion" 2. make sure users are punished fairly and equitably because the procedure is the same for everyone 3. hold players who frequently break rules accountable, so instead of just getting a slap on the wrist over and over the punishments they receive escalate the more they break rules, and no one will get hit with a 2 week or 1 month jail on their first offense unless it was something truly egregious.

i also think banning should be a last resort or reserved for people who are genuinely and truly destructive to the site, like someone posting malicious phishing links.

13.12.2023 21:09:36

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halobear8

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14.12.2023 00:45:47
halobear8

I think banning players is absolutely warranted if they break the rules, get their account deleted, keep breaking the rules, making accounts, so on and so forth. Or for people like PCUMA who broke the rules so severely that it took away opportunities, badges, recognition away from people who were honestly playing the game, violating the reward they'd otherwise receive for time and energy spent on this site.
I agree with Iowa that the punishments must be unchanging, however. The tiers are also a good idea, as well as incorporating a 3 strikes policy.
I and everyone on this site who has followed the simple rules we were given and agreed to when we signed up for this website agree that bringing back banned players is not a good idea AT ALL. They were banned for a reason, let's keep it that way. Those who do not remember the past are doomed to repeat it and all that.

14.12.2023 00:45:47

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14.12.2023 02:45:45
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Add a “Bimboland Politics” category to the Ximbo Citizens section of the forum. Put it below “Bimboland Theater”.
Make sure it says “Bimboland Politics” and not just “Politics”.

If Miss Bimbo wants to steer the focus of this game more towards politics than dress up, then that is the simplest and most logical place to test drive that.

14.12.2023 02:45:45

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14.12.2023 11:33:26
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KirstyD8 wrote:

"By that I mean it seems clear by now that the role of the Prime Bimbo is largely passed from one existing Pink House member to another and then when they are in power no one stands against them."

Just to clarify this statement Only State Ministers's can run for Prime Bimbo which means only Pink House memeber can run. That is not our fault but yours, your rules and programing on your site. This is why i suggested going back to old system where any senator can run, which you liked the idea of.

Sorry can you explain what you mean here please.
You are saying only pink house members can run for PB ? Thats wrong for a start. Its only State ministers that can run.
Also there is no rule that says State Ministers are automatically pink house members.
The Pink House is the official residence of the Prime Bimbo. The Fashion police are appointed by the Prime Bimbo and the PB can appoint anyone they like. Its quite possible to be a state minster and NOT a member of the Pink House.

Does this make sense?.

14.12.2023 11:33:26

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14.12.2023 11:40:45
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Does this make sense?

Nope :')

14.12.2023 11:40:45

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14.12.2023 12:01:47
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Miss Bimbo wrote:

KirstyD8 wrote:
"By that I mean it seems clear by now that the role of the Prime Bimbo is largely passed from one existing Pink House member to another and then when they are in power no one stands against them."

Just to clarify this statement Only State Ministers's can run for Prime Bimbo which means only Pink House memeber can run. That is not our fault but yours, your rules and programing on your site. This is why i suggested going back to old system where any senator can run, which you liked the idea of.
Sorry can you explain what you mean here please.
You are saying only pink house members can run for PB ? Thats wrong for a start. Its only State ministers that can run.
Also there is no rule that says State Ministers are automatically pink house members.
The Pink House is the official residence of the Prime Bimbo. The Fashion police are appointed by the Prime Bimbo and the PB can appoint anyone they like. Its quite possible to be a state minster and NOT a member of the Pink House.

Does this make sense?.

State ministers have been consided apart of pink house for a long time, after all if you click on pink house tab they are there. Everyone knows that state ministers are apart of the pink house. You can may not think that, but we do.
If you didn't know this about the site might be time to catch up with your employees and get to know how things work now. You are clearly not upto date on how things are working and it would be best for you to learn before anything else.
For some reason it was made so that only state ministers can run for PB and it had been like that for some time now, a few years maybe? I can't recall when it changed to that. I think it is unfair for you to blame elections on us when only a few can run for PB.

14.12.2023 12:01:47

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