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Ximboland Clock

Ximboland democracy failures and how to address it

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01.12.2023
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Miss Bimbo
LillyAnn
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Freethinkerland
23.12.2023 03:38:31
LillyAnn

Man, get a life, put your facts straight. I assumed wrongly, looks like you are not that good in reading, either on purpose or just can't follow the stuff that doesn't suit your narrative.

Unlike you I don't have the pile of saved screenshots from the last year and time you were jailed. You were not the only one player in the game. You were not the only one important even you wish so. Of course that we kept the evidence of forum offenses and other stuff for some time and then discarded it after a couple of months. Read the rules again and try to actually read them for once!
Let me quote it for you and your friends here:

Punishments will not be discussed in public (forum and comments), outside of ximbo.land or with anyone else beside the player in question. Any kind of discussion on this matter takes place in private via PMs.

Warnings will not be discussed in public either unless they were made public.

That being said, you could ask why specifically why you were jailed if you really didn't understand why. That would be talked in private with you. Not on your and Plush's and Bimboner's reddit, not on Cowboy's gang discord, not in forum, but in private.

Man, you didn't message even once to ask about your jails and forum bans. For me it meant you 1) Understood why such actions happened, 2) You just didn't want to talk and get the facts straight for your own reasons.
And now, after over a year ago you are asking for explanation? Dare to ask for amends? Bully current and previous PH again? What kind of person are you? Where were you when these things were going on?

Are you aware how much would it be to keep a record of each single player who ever break any rule. This is the game, not the police station or court archive. We are alive people who have lives and happened to like this game, wanted to improve it and put hours, days and months in it. Do you really think that I wanted to keep and read over and over again all the nonsense you and your friends were writing? Your bullying other players over stuff like PBFC suggestion, accidental misgendering, baiting players just to make them guilty so you can report them and expected THEM to be punished?
You want me to be honest - I GOT SICK OF THAT! I WANTED TO FORGET IT NOT TO READ IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR MONTHS AND YEARS.

You are just toxic! If you have your own issues please take care of yourself and in a proper way, don't spill your frustration here. This game is supposed to be a fan outlet, no one here is supposed to be your punching bag for your own private frustration. I still don't get what is not clear to you.

If you want to be a rebel against the system, go out there in the street and pick some fights. Don't torture people here! But yeah, it expects you to have some balls for it, it's easier to be a cyber bully like a coward.

Who said BL was supposed to be a safe place for fascist leftists where no one else should have their voice except you because you are so sensitive snowflakes? You guys made it up and live your delusional fantasy. This is not a 'safe' place specifically for your minority. The game, by design and Chris's idea was meant to be somewhat of a parody of real life and real life politics and issues. But no, you wanted to claim it as your 'safe space'. Find yourself another 'safe place'... oh, let me guess, you have already been banned from another sites because of your fascist attitude so BL was the only place left where you can freely oppress the other people who only wants to have some fun. No one here cares about your rl politics and issues, you either have fun and behave like a normal human beings or you are not a match for it. It was never forbidden for you to talk about your problems, what was forbidden is bullying the players who don't align with your politics.

Maybe you would be a perfect PB but you don't even want to be a senator and pay some money because it's too much for you to pay for the game 'you like so much' and actually be the change you want to see. It is so cheap, so save your rules for the time when you are actually willing to take part in election. This way you are nothing better than a parasite who expects the free ride on other people expenses while you are pushing your own selfish agenda.

         

23.12.2023 03:38:31

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Iowa
Level 70
Status: Citizen
Sex Appeal: 270685
Reputation: 32293
Posts: 1074
Reasonopia
23.12.2023 05:09:17
Iowa

lillyann, i've been objective, i've tried to stay on topic, i haven't attacked you or insulted you, and i've produced factual evidence to back up my claims, criticisms and concerns. what have you done? called me names, told me to man up, told me to get a life? you haven't even pointed out anything specifically wrong with what i've been saying, you've just accused me of lying, being a bully, a fascist leftist (lmao by the way), and a parasite, among other things. i don't even obsessively hoard screenshots, i simply do my homework; when a specific incident or time period is brought up i search back on the site, on discord, on reddit, etc. to see if there's anything relevant i can find and show. it's not even hard.

by the way, i'm a fascist leftist because i think this:

is a horrifically inappropriate way for a member of staff to speak to/about and treat players and wanted him to be held accountable, and i didn't think it was acceptable for you and others to make excuses for him. if you're accusing me of fascism over booby dress up game drama maybe it's time to log off and take a breather for a bit.

by the way, i know keeping a record of punishments is possible, because it's been done before. poison black did it when he was FP. he had a file on google sheets.

if anyone else would like to continue discussing what this thread was originally about (improving the site) without telling me i'm literally joseph stalin i am all ears!

23.12.2023 05:09:17
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bxdcherri
Level 187
Status: Citizen
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Reputation: 74701
Posts: 2022
Reasonopia
23.12.2023 11:33:05
bxdcherri

Having the coder of the game threaten to break someone’s legs really sums up what’s been going on behind the scenes imo. And the fact that whenever it’s been shared it gets deleted and the person get banned. At this point, I’ve had enough of being scared to speak my mind, so ban me like all the others. I was happy to reach out to Iowa and ask about wtf was going on, because no court case was ever made. And that’s the case for so many fucking players. I went and did my own research, and I’m standing here now saying I want no fucking part in all this bullshit anymore. I’m an SM that advocates freedom of speech, and yet mention any reason as to why Iowa got banned, or any of their friends, mention Marr, mention the Reddit, mention the Google doc, mention ANYTHING that would indicate corruption in the PH and you get banned. No wonder people are deciding to speak up now, because MissB has called it out, and now players feel comfortable enough to start talking. And if we get silenced, well youve only gone and proven him right. 

Enough is enough. 

23.12.2023 11:33:05

kojar
Level 158
Status: Citizen
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Reputation: 53444
Posts: 848
Antitheocra
23.12.2023 12:25:13
kojar

a few questions

what if somebody creates alt accounts to circumvent being blocked by a person, in order to harrass/threaten them?
what if somebody creates forum threads and posts, in which they use alts to further their own viewpoint, by replying to themselves, liking their own posts and creating an echochamber? do you believe this furthers your goal of "democracy"?

and a rant

ximboland is not a real place. there is no place to govern, no legislature (which can not seemingly be circumvented by a singular person), no inter-user economy, no international relations, and nobody lives in ximboland. for a majority of the userbase, this is a game with a forum and a community of fashionistas. they want to play dress-up and talk about their hobbies, engage in competitions or simply post in the counting thread. very few, if any users are attracted to this site solely because it is attempting to emulate a state.
you seem to wish for there to be more debate in your game, not for there to be more democracy. if the goal was democracy, there should be no issues in the userbase choosing not to run for PB. if there was a wish for more democracy, users should be able to vote for changes (such as the fabled name change) and their demands and ideas should be honored as a state petition would. although, there is a level of responsibility that site coders/admins seem to wish to avoid. no amount of roleplaying is going to erase the fact that the site owner ultimately has the final say, like a dictatorship, or, if you're not in fantasy-land, a regular, normally run website.
go play a civilisation game if you want to roleplay democracy

23.12.2023 12:25:13
 

Gemima1984
Level 111
Status: Citizen
Sex Appeal: 1084790
Reputation: 60107
Posts: 1984
Atheista
23.12.2023 13:17:56
Gemima1984

I think the amount of responsibility put on individuals to run the website is unfair. I think Lilly Ann was put in a stressful situation and as a result of feeling targeted, acted in a way which was disproportionate and unfair on Iowa. I'm sorry to criticise, especially when I haven't experienced just how much work running the site is. I can imagine it is frustrating running everything and having people acting in bad faith.

Banning Iowa may have been the correct thing to do, if he ran the subreddit, was actively participating over here and responsible for a community who was then going on to doxx people, I think banning would potentially be justified. Iowa, I recognise you held strong that doxxing was unacceptable but as the person running the subreddit, you also take some of the responsibility for the culture. However, the way Iowa has been spoken to, handled and banned is frankly unacceptable.

I also echo bxdcherri's thoughts, and I am concerned by the things MarrQ has said to players. We need a coder, but at the very least his interaction with players could have been reduced to prevent it happening again. I am thankful for his work but why is an unelected person telling players to go fuck themselves, dropping slurs, threatening them? It's bizarre.

Now my main reason for commenting is with regards to this excerpt from Lilly Ann below
"Your bullying other players over stuff like PBFC suggestion, accidental misgendering, baiting players just to make them guilty so you can report them and expected THEM to be punished? You want me to be honest - I GOT SICK OF THAT! I WANTED TO FORGET IT NOT TO READ IT OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR MONTHS AND YEARS. You are just toxic! If you have your own issues please take care of yourself and in a proper way, don't spill your frustration here. This game is supposed to be a fan outlet, no one here is supposed to be your punching bag for your own private frustration. I still don't get what is not clear to you."

Rules need to be consistently applied, communicated effectively and fair. Iowa's suggestion for rules and a system for banning are pretty standard across websites with communities and are pretty fair and not unreasonable. If Iowa was banned for the above reasons, can you please explain why players who also do all the exact same things are free to continue to do so all over the forums with no repercussions? You can't have it both ways. You either have free speech and users block problematic users or you fairly ban people consistently based on established rules. Do you have a rationale for allowing these players to continue to stir shit, post harmful content, harass people and make the website generally unpleasant for most of us?

For what it's worth, I am still against the majority of Chris' recommended changes. I think the banning of alts is fair. I think blecky does a good job and I don't think Chris taking over will remedy any of the issues, only allow them to rot further. The website needs established rules, a fair system and some kind of appeals process for people like Iowa. But if this is the bullshit he's been having shoved in his inbox, is it any wonder he's bulldozed in this way?

Everybody here is an adult. Everybody needs to put their petty feuds down and think about things rationally. If judgement is skewed by emotion then let the courts or others take the lead.





23.12.2023 13:17:56
AuntieLice
Level 60
Status: Citizen
Sex Appeal: 168715
Reputation: 78680
Posts: 2454
Secville
23.12.2023 13:43:14
AuntieLice

bxdcherri wrote:
Having the coder of the game threaten to break someone’s legs really sums up what’s been going on behind the scenes imo. And the fact that whenever it’s been shared it gets deleted and the person get banned. At this point, I’ve had enough of being scared to speak my mind, so ban me like all the others. I was happy to reach out to Iowa and ask about wtf was going on, because no court case was ever made. And that’s the case for so many fucking players. I went and did my own research, and I’m standing here now saying I want no fucking part in all this bullshit anymore. I’m an SM that advocates freedom of speech, and yet mention any reason as to why Iowa got banned, or any of their friends, mention Marr, mention the Reddit, mention the Google doc, mention ANYTHING that would indicate corruption in the PH and you get banned. No wonder people are deciding to speak up now, because MissB has called it out, and now players feel comfortable enough to start talking. And if we get silenced, well youve only gone and proven him right. 

Enough is enough. 
Oh PLEASE. Iona has been rambling about this exact same bullshit and posting the exact same screenshots for years now and he still hasn't been banned on his second account lol. Who is being silenced? And instead of being grateful for getting to keep this account (with like 2 , barely put together, looks on it so he doesn't even play the game lol), he is going over the exact same talking points we've been reading for what? 3 years? At this point he's just giving us all a headache.

His and her besties are upset they don't get a full control of this website so they can ban anyone they dislike and so that all the topics on this website turn into their emotionally unstable rants where they turn all the minuscule issues in their lives into some huge drama to show how "hard" they have it, as everyone replies "ugh you're so gender" and "you're so valid!!".
Unfortunately, this is what happens when you tell a group of people that they are "valid" in everything they say and do as long as they cry loud enough and keep playing victims. 


23.12.2023 13:43:14
“Then two years ago, I became a public figure representing domestic abuse, and I felt the full force of our culture’s wrath for women who speak out.” -Amber Heard
Iowa
Level 70
Status: Citizen
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Reputation: 32293
Posts: 1074
Reasonopia
23.12.2023 16:21:30
Iowa

Gemima1984 wrote:
I think the amount of responsibility put on individuals to run the website is unfair. I think Lilly Ann was put in a stressful situation and as a result of feeling targeted, acted in a way which was disproportionate and unfair on Iowa. I'm sorry to criticise, especially when I haven't experienced just how much work running the site is. I can imagine it is frustrating running everything and having people acting in bad faith.

Banning Iowa may have been the correct thing to do, if he ran the subreddit, was actively participating over here and responsible for a community who was then going on to doxx people, I think banning would potentially be justified. Iowa, I recognise you held strong that doxxing was unacceptable but as the person running the subreddit, you also take some of the responsibility for the culture. However, the way Iowa has been spoken to, handled and banned is frankly unacceptable.
i really appreciate you being sympathetic to me and my experiences, however a quick correction: the doxxing incident happened before the subreddit was made, and did not happen on the subreddit. a couple of years ago tokikonoe's account was accessed by a hacker and the hacker vandalized the forums, banned a bunch of users, some members of team bimbo and the pink house were doxxed by the hacker. during that incident, lillyann's linkedin was posted. fast forward, the subreddit was created last year, and at some point someone made an account to post on it and made their icon the picture from lillyann's linkedin. someone on discord pointed it out to me, i messaged the person telling them to remove it, and they did. that's the most egregious thing that ever happened on the subreddit.

to make the timeline clear: my old account, juggalo rights, was banned along with a bunch of my friends without us being told why. about a week later, the hack happened, and the doxxing followed shortly after. i made iowa seven or eight months later. i thanked dye for not banning me even though she very much could have and made a concerted effort to just mind my business. i became a mod of the subreddit and expanded the rules so that no discussion involving personal insults, attacks, etc was allowed. the thing with lillyann's picture happened and was resolved within 24 hours. i was jailed 3 times (presumably by lillyann) for participating in the subreddit and those are the only punishments i've ever gotten on iowa.

23.12.2023 16:21:30
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Gemima1984
Level 111
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Posts: 1984
Atheista
23.12.2023 16:23:20
Gemima1984

Apologies for my misrepresentation and thank you for the further clarification. I have attempted to edit my post to note the error but the forum won't allow it.

23.12.2023 16:23:20
Iowa
Level 70
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Reputation: 32293
Posts: 1074
Reasonopia
23.12.2023 16:44:50
Iowa

no worries!

23.12.2023 16:44:50
✖ he/him pronouns ✖ chris/sweetasnuts doesnt care about this game
kokkedalstation
Level 12
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Reputation: 1027
Posts: 7
Atheista
23.12.2023 17:38:11
kokkedalstation

roblox total drama island has more democracy than this "republic"

23.12.2023 17:38:11

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The Internet republic of Ximbo lands is the worlds first Internet republic.

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Where is MissBimbo.com? Miss Bimbo was much better than this site.
The Internet republic of Ximbo land was created by Miss Bimbo herself and is its more intelligent successor. The old site was for junior bimbos. This site is for intelligent Ximbos.

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Bimbo City

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How can I become a Ximbo citizen?
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