my opinion on transitioning

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01.04.2024 21:10:51
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Considering how many times you get baited on this site no one believes you.

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01.04.2024 21:17:22
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Theodora Dee wrote:
your desperation for some nudes is so sad............ petition to create bumble and tinder accs for buttlice
Iona's clitoris expended from taking cross-sex hormones and resembles a micropenis and Dean has both genitals and you're confused on why the public is intrigued? It's called being fascinated, not being attracted.

Also I apologise for calling you a Mr. I assumed someone named Theodora is trying to be a woman, but you're unironically a woman who wants to be a man and uses female usernames and female characters to dress up.
Do you have any other insults besides just trying to insult people’s weight or gender or are you stuck on repeat 
Almost as if it's a topic about gender, transvestites and genitals. Hope this helps since I know how slow you are!


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01.04.2024 21:25:36
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Yep you’re stuck on repeat 

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01.04.2024 21:37:29
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you know what. i won't waste my energy arguing with a centrist, who thinks they're soooooo different from the right <3 continue being a bigot, you and buttlice will be great friends!
I'm just a casual observer around here, so forgive me, but isn't a centrist someone who has differing opinions depending on the issue at hand rather than political affiliation?

so, and again please do forgive me for my forwardness, but what are you blathering on about?

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01.04.2024 21:46:56
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"if you are going to argue that valid and reasonable consent can not be given for transitioning then you must also apply that to the rest of pediatric medicine. transitioning is not the only medical treatment that has implications for fertility and development, far from it. treatment for cancer, blood disorders, and endocrine disorders, to name a few, can impact fertility, and HIV medication and psychiatric drugs can impact cognitive development."
Notice how all the conditions you listed here result in an extremely poor patient prognosis if untreated. Almost as though delaying or refusing treatment for cancers, HIV etcetera lead to the patient dying or having a significantly worsened quality of life. I knew you would be stupid enough to make the comparison, however, so let's put it this way: a patient understanding at 10 that if they do not have an appendectomy they will die, or that if they don't undergo chemotherapy at seven years-old they'll also die, is in no way comparable to undergoing elective surgery for gender dysphoria. You'll be hard-pressed to get anybody above a special educational needs IQ to agree with you that consent for chemotherapy can be likened to consent to electively castrate yourself. Thanks!


"adolescents do in fact have the capacity to make meaningful decisions, according to developmental psychology. the argument that they don't is the same argument used to say that minors should not be allowed to access contraceptives or abortion. should young girls not be able to get abortions?"
Sure. An adolescent female can tell you she do not want a child at this point in time and wishes to terminate her pregnancy, or the contrary. What they cannot tell you is whether or not they, with 100% certainty, will or will not regret chemically castrating themselves at a later age. Therefore, we should make decisions which demonstrate the least risk. A patient can choose to transition at 18, in adulthood. They can't, however, choose to get their tits back after you chopped them off at 15. Again, this is another false equivalent wherein the two situations do not demonstrate comparable longitudinal risk to the patient. Ask yourself this: why do we have a voting age of 18? A drinking age of 21 in the US? A legal driving age? A kid can learn and pass the theory test, so why not? We have them because we know that, in general, children lack the detailed knowledge framework and risk perception possessed by adults. 

I’m not going to get into the ethics of contraception for minors; ultimately, it’s at the discretion of the doctor and the long-term ramifications of contraception use are not comparable to those seen in the treatment of gender dysphoria. Again, poor comparison. 


"there are standards and procedures for evaluating the decision making capacity of a minor. here is one used in a variety of contexts, including cancer treatment, bariatric surgery, vaccination, and clinical trials. one of the recommendations in the WPATH standards of care for administering gender-affirming care to minors is the assessment of decision-making capacity using this framework. if the evaluation comes to the conclusion that the minor can not reasonably give consent, then treatment does not proceed. if there are other factors that alter the minor's decision making capacity, such as an unmanaged psychological disorder, then treatment does not proceed. if it does, that is on account of the doctor's malpractice, and there are legal avenues for recourse."
Ah, the good old "standards are in place, that’s enough to solve the issue". There might be a standard in place, but it is obviously not followed when a child walks out of a doctor's office with testosterone shots after a week of knowing them. Physicians don't always follow guidelines and in politicised instances such as transsexuality, they are under additional pressure to conform to a specific outcome. Saying the guideline exists is as useful as saying there is a speed metre on your car. When the risk of transitioning has been whittled down to the point of false and "near-complete" safety, doctors missing half their brains will ignore this sieve to the detriment of the patient.

 

“the common talking point that ~80% of trans youth turn out to just be gay is based on bunk science from a bygone era. it is primary based on the research of two people, ken zucker and thomas steensma. all of their research was performed during a time when gender dysphoria did not exist as a diagnosis and they instead used the diagnostic criteria of gender identity disorder, which did not require insistent identification as the opposite gender or discomfort with one's own sexual anatomy. it required gender-nonconforming behavior and a discomfort with natal gender roles. that is all.” 

I’ll agree with you on this point (the diagnostic criteria changing).

 

“no population survey nor research study using the up to date gender dysphoria diagnostic criteria has ever produced a figure even remotely close to the figures produced by GID-based studies. in a longitudinal study of prepubescent trans youth, 97.5% retained a trans identity 5 years later. in the most recent study on the subject with almost no loss to followup, among 552 closed referrals, 29 were closed due to reidentification with birth sex. all but two of these happened during the diagnostic/evaluation phase. of the patients who began medical treatment, 1% of them changed their minds. a handful of referrals were closed due to the patient moving out of state, and the majority were closed because the patient reached adulthood. reported regret after transitioning for adults is also consistently within the range of 1-3%. if literally any other medical treatment had this level of success it would be considered a miracle.” 

The first study you linked had a sample age between 3 – 12, with a mean age of 8.1. The follow-up period occurred 5 years later, with the oldest participant aged 17 years old and the youngest participant aged 8 years old, with a cohort average follow-up age of 13. If this is your smoking gun, your gun is out of smoke babe. I’ll wait for you to explain how many 8 – 17-year-olds are trying to get pregnant or are trying for children, thus directly confronting their self-installed infertility? In five more years when the eldest participants are 22, we’ll see what happens. As of right now, the study just confirms that its participants have yet to encounter the consequences of their decisions. I mean, when the mean age at follow-up is 13, it’s truly a wonder why that is. As for the second study, I cannot confirm/reject the validity of the study because I can only see its abstract and it seems like a crock of shit regardless.

 

“if 80% of trans kids change their mind, where the fuck are they? do they all disappear? 

They either did not medically transition (thankfully some of them still have their brains) or, assuming they did, are too petrified of being lit on fire by a mob of shemales with ruching scars on their chest. I’d be terrified too. If you listen to any of the detransitioners’ stories, they often preface it by remarking about how terrified they were to speak out. I guess you’re just deaf and can’t put 2-and-2 together?

 

“i didn't say that HRT will make you grow a vagina you fucking moron, i said that estrogen HRT will reformat the body's structure and performance to be within normal range of height-matched cis females. all prior findings to the contrary do not control for height.

also, here's an example of estrogen HRT widening the pelvic floor, julie doe. the partially mummified remains of a woman were found and she was thought to be cisgender for over 25 years until dna testing showed a y chromosome. this was in part because she had pitting in her pelvic bone that is usually the result of childbirth but was in fact because of prolonged use of estrogen. the more you know!” It was a joke, retard. The paper you linked literally references a paper wherein transgender women, adjusted for height, do not end up with the same morphology as cisgender women, at least not in every aspect. Better to take a read of the full paper before getting your vagina wet and asserting blatantly untrue bullshit like “all prior findings to the contrary do not control for height.”

Congratulations though, you found one freak whose pelvis changed. Now lets see if oestrogen alone makes her skeleton lactate too!



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01.04.2024 21:51:41
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Richard Fromage wrote:
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you know what. i won't waste my energy arguing with a centrist, who thinks they're soooooo different from the right <3 continue being a bigot, you and buttlice will be great friends!
I'm just a casual observer around here, so forgive me, but isn't a centrist someone who has differing opinions depending on the issue at hand rather than political affiliation?

so, and again please do forgive me for my forwardness, but what are you blathering on about?
hi, i'm not "blathering on about" anything actually. centrists usually want the left and the right to "compromise", which is a weird thing to suggest considering one side has fascists and the other doesn't. that's what makes them so similar, since compromising would mean accepting some parts of homophobia, transphobia, racism etc. that's what i was talking about. 

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01.04.2024 21:55:10
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I don't think anyone is asking for advice from a woman who has no clue what the difference between transphobia and homophobia is.

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01.04.2024 21:56:12
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That’s right Lice! No one asked you! 

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01.04.2024 21:57:21
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Omg such a good argument Snow. It's malfunctioning again, someone come and get it.

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