Ximboland democracy failures and how to address it

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Miss Bimbo

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19.12.2023 05:53:39
ximboglizzy

Okay since this has been brought up let's clear the air on the Butterfly and Auntie Lice situation. Strictly from my side, perspective, what I know and being a former Secville SM.

I was not aware of Butterfly and ALs antics until I foolishly fell for their trolling. Before becoming an SM, I contacted Butterfly asking about what being an SM is like and if we can connect on discord, left on read but its fine. Christmas 2022, Butterfly made a post in the reputation helper thread regarding ''not losing enough weight to feel comfortable going to a Christmas party.'' I was still pretty new to XL, just became an SM and excited to get to know the players, it wasn't till after I posted in support to Butterfly going (referring to ey/eym pronouns as stated on B profile at the time) I was told about the past with them and how that situation was most certainly a fake narrative. At that point I never did anything to provoke them or talk to them, they were just there disliking my posts (though I will say not all) and that was that.

Throughout my term I have received several reports in regards to their ableist, fatphobic and homophobic remarks. Users were getting directly harassed by the two and in a not so ''this is just my opinion and I am respectfully sharing it even if it's controversial'' kind of way.

!!! I am very open to peoples opinions and views as several factors take account into it; peoples culture, religious beliefs, the region/environment, taught behaviour and biases from childhood, stereotypes, etc. But it's one thing to disagree, share an opinion with the respect to others and potentially even have a debate. However, when it comes down to direct mockery, harassment, insensitivity, disrespect as well as their carefully calculated and rude comments- something should be done about it.

If we're really going to emphasize the fact their entitled to their opinion- okay. Yes. They are. But what the hell does posting my picture on XL and making remarks to my features, saying I've tried several diets, ''struggle with weight loss'', have anything to do with that? I have never talked about my weight here. Now for the photo- I had that as my profile picture on discord which they saw through being a mutual in the server. We can even say that it's a public photo, but making fun of my features? One may say they're ''cyberbullying'' me, bro...

*ahem*

I speak about my situation because I know it best. Other players have reported them because they were making rude comments directed to them, there have been cases in the past with Butterfly and Auntie Lice harassing other players with ableist, racist and fatphobic remarks and I do not use those words lightly. There is a lot of evidence to support those claims. They directly copied and mocked an outfit me and a player had for a contest I hosted. Don't even begin with anything along the lines of ''bringing attention to the Boombo skin'' like .... lets be so fr. I request that there should be a formal investigation done. If there needs to be proof provided I am sure there are players that can provide a more detailed and accurate description of the problem they had with B and AL.

Now, let me get one thing straight. I take full accountability in interacting back with them and wish I had not done so. It was childish. However, for a huge majority of my term I have been trying my best behind the scenes to see if there was SOMETHING we could do about it. Ultimately I have been told that there was nothing anyone could do about it. I want to understand why?

I don't know who's responsibility it is to deal with it, but this is unacceptable. This isn't even just a controversial opinion, these are direct attacks to a lot of users on this site. Once again it's one thing to have an opinion about it and people getting upset over it, but it's another when it's HARASSMENT.

You mention unbanning players from the site, can we please figure out the current ones? Open Ximboland court, get the peoples opinion on it. For all I know maybe I AM just the butthurt one, but I'm afraid that's not so true.

Butterfly and Auntie Lice.
I can appreciate your use of a thesaurus when you guys make your comments and posts but you guys know what you're doing by consistently bringing up the whole LillyAnn/Chris situation. It just sounds disingenuous, you talk about bullying like you don't do it. There is no place for you two to say you guys are victims when you have been nothing but presumptuous, contemptuous, irreverent and impolite. What the hell have I ever done to you? What has anyone done anything to you two? Butterfly, I came to you with full respect, I tried to keep my distance and stay in my lane. I have played into your game but its not even remotely close to the things you have said to me. Please. let's cut the bullshit.
Was the whole ''hey homies!'' that annoying??????????????????????????

Two wrongs don't make a right and I feel like you commenting on the situation like you don't actively take part in making people move away from the game is kinda weird. I've recruited 6 people into this game and every single time I have to be like ''yeah.... I'm not sure what to do about them but like.. don't interact.'' What's also equally weird is how you guys are still here.

19.12.2023 05:53:39

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bitchforbutches

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19.12.2023 09:37:07
bitchforbutches

Miss Bimbo wrote:

Gemima1984 wrote:
Actually I suggest you properly consult and engage with your community by running a survey ascertaining how they feel about the suggested changes and do your research into what would legitimately raise site revenue. Let the community speak for themselves. You've got nothing to lose and everything to gain because if you implement changes the community wants, they're more likely to actually spend money on the site. It's general business acumen.
This thread is exactly that - my proper consultation with the community.
And the more this thread goes on the more I feel the correct thing to do is for me to become PB for a while until

a) a time that someone legitimately wants to run as PB and is appreciative of the opportunity, appreciative of the money and wants to lead the democratic system we have created together

b) until such a time that the community is open and freedom of speech and opposition is protected

c) until such a time that there are multiple people standing to run against each other in a democratic, respectful and engaging manner

A little confused. What you’re getting at here is that the way to achieve democracy is by fostering dictatorship? Installing yourself as PB isn’t going to do anything democratic. I like the idea mentioned of instead of having you put yourself into the position of PB, that you run for it instead and be one of the candidates willing to run in a “democratic, respectful and engaging manner.” Are you implying that Blecky isn’t appreciative? Do you know how hard she works to keep your website afloat? The same goes for all previous PB’s. How is freedom of speech relevant to the conversation? I’m pretty sure speech is pretty free already, there’s nobody getting banlanded in current Blecky term besides alts and minors as stated before. You’re being very contradicting. Also, how is it allowed that you get to have as many alts as you like and nobody else can? You’re contradicting your own rule??? Makes zero sense.

19.12.2023 09:37:07

SweetasNuts

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19.12.2023 09:48:16
SweetasNuts

The more I look into this and the more I learn then the more I think I need to step in to do a term as Prime Bimbo.

The most obvious glaring thing crossing my mind at the moment is regards to all these accusations and information off of Ximboland.
Its all largely noise and largely irrelevant.
In my view the job of the government is to manage issues within our world and within ximbo.land. It is not to manage issues or words on other sites. From what i can gather there appear to be lots of other reddit or discord pages/sites/forums. But so what?
Surely the job of the Prime Bimbo and government is to rise above all of that noise and to only manage the issues we have in our site and in our world here in Ximboland?

Now you may say 'oh but they are cheating and they use these other sites to plan etc but again in my view its up to us to alter our site so that no one can cheat and thus we dont need to waste time banning alts or policing obscure discord chats and other sites. The only time we should visit other sites is to market Ximboland in my view and not to waste time chatting and reading what others have said about this or about that.
I can see no attepmt to visit other sites to marklet Ximboland - only to gossip and trash each other.
In this thread a few people have said how hard the Prime Bimbo job is and how many hours they put in etc - I am now assuming that you are talking about hours put in reading and gossiping on other sites right?
All un necessary 'work' in my opinion. And this should never be considered work or the role of the PB. The role of the Prime Bimbo should not be as some sort of undercover police officer reading hidden forums and working out who has said what about who.
Furthermore people should not be held account for what they say on other sites. Our government our Prime Bimbo need to be above that and only deal with crimes committed in our world.
Perhaps having one permitted and instructed 'MI5' or 'CIA' Bimbo agent keeping an eye on things and report back on anything is inevitable but it certainly should not be the job of the Prime Bimbo that's for sure. The Prime Bimbo needs to be free from sleeze and free from underground wrongdoings. They should only communicate direct on here and not in sleezy dark forums under sleezy dark aliases. You wont catch me signing up to some sleezy dark forum that is for sure.
I don't like to see people posting clips of what people have said on some other forum.
We are Ximboland and we should have an open and free society and if anyone has something to say that is bad then say to to our faces and not in some pathetic sleezy dark forum. The reason these forums exist is because people are scared to talk openly here. If we work on freedom of speech here then there will be no need to have these dark seedy forums.

Once again the solutions to these problems are -

a) a PB that refuses to sign up and read or worry about these sleazy sub forums
b) the disbanding of any Pink House or semi 'official' forums off site. If the Pink House need a private place to talk on here they we should build it in here and not on some other site
c) An open society where others can openly talk about how they are going to win power (legallly) and so they dont feel threatened to challenge the government openly on THIS site and thus no need to create sub forums. This means less moderation, no stopping people talking and no censorship
d) allowing alts so that we dont have any worry about feeling a need to stop 'cheaters'. because its no longer cheating.
(The elections are already absolutely fair because no bot can get to level 21)
f) as for duels etc again I maintain that if someone wants to create and manage 50 accounts then so be it. Its so bloody hard they deserve to win. Thats not cheating - its just hard working.

19.12.2023 09:48:16

Miss Bimbo

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19.12.2023 10:05:14
Miss Bimbo

bitchforbutches wrote:

Miss Bimbo wrote:
Gemima1984 wrote:
Actually I suggest you properly consult and engage with your community by running a survey ascertaining how they feel about the suggested changes and do your research into what would legitimately raise site revenue. Let the community speak for themselves. You've got nothing to lose and everything to gain because if you implement changes the community wants, they're more likely to actually spend money on the site. It's general business acumen.
This thread is exactly that - my proper consultation with the community.
And the more this thread goes on the more I feel the correct thing to do is for me to become PB for a while until

a) a time that someone legitimately wants to run as PB and is appreciative of the opportunity, appreciative of the money and wants to lead the democratic system we have created together

b) until such a time that the community is open and freedom of speech and opposition is protected

c) until such a time that there are multiple people standing to run against each other in a democratic, respectful and engaging manner
A little confused. What you’re getting at here is that the way to achieve democracy is by fostering dictatorship? Installing yourself as PB isn’t going to do anything democratic. I like the idea mentioned of instead of having you put yourself into the position of PB, that you run for it instead and be one of the candidates willing to run in a “democratic, respectful and engaging manner.” Are you implying that Blecky isn’t appreciative? Do you know how hard she works to keep your website afloat? The same goes for all previous PB’s. How is freedom of speech relevant to the conversation? I’m pretty sure speech is pretty free already, there’s nobody getting banlanded in current Blecky term besides alts and minors as stated before. You’re being very contradicting. Also, how is it allowed that you get to have as many alts as you like and nobody else can? You’re contradicting your own rule??? Makes zero sense.

I have explained this before in this thread so please read carefully as I am not going to keep repeating myself.

We dont have a democracy at present. We have come along way since 2016 but its not where it should be. Its a 'semi-democracy' at present with power shared and passed on between existing Pink House members and with no one standing against them. Opposition is stifled and not encouraged.
So I am preparing to step in and get us back on track.
As President it is not just my right - its my obligation. My obligation to you and to all Ximbos.
My obligation to the beautiful republic of Ximboland.

Do you remember 2015/2016?
When I started Ximboland?
I was both President and Prime Bimbo - so at that point it was also a dictatorship.
Slowly with your support and the support of other great Bimbos I was able to delegate power out and I will delegate power again soon.

However, please remember that when things go off piste then its my obligation to step in and correct them.
So if that means us becoming a dictatorship again for 1 term (3 months) then so be it. Thats what we have to do.
Sometimes in life we have to go backwards to go forwards.
I believe we can transition from 'Semi democracy' into full flung healthy democracy very soon.
And my dream is that i never ever have to step in as Dictator ever again

19.12.2023 10:05:14

Miss Bimbo

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19.12.2023 10:43:17
Miss Bimbo

https://ximbo.land/pink-house

You can read more about the history of Ximboland here.
You will see that in 2016 I had to step in and do my duty as President and Prime Bimbo as well.
The most important duty of the President is to be a steady guiding ship - behind the scenes but also ready to step in and take responsibility in times of crisis

19.12.2023 10:43:17

Melpomene

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19.12.2023 11:31:21
Melpomene

SweetasNuts wrote:

I don't like to see people posting clips of what people have said on some other forum.
We are Ximboland and we should have an open and free society and if anyone has something to say that is bad then say to to our faces and not in some pathetic sleezy dark forum. The reason these forums exist is because people are scared to talk openly here. If we work on freedom of speech here then there will be no need to have these dark seedy forums.

Talk about missing the point with this whole post

No, the "noise" of allegations and proofs in the previous pages is not about what the PB's job is or what they have to put up with (in fact, it is hardly related, and the PB's primary task is not about policing the forums, on site or off). It IS, however, an excellent illustration of how these people claiming they've been "banned over nothing" should be take with a grain of salt. Consider this outlandish idea: Maybe, just maybe, they've been banned for legitimate reasons and then gotten butthurt over that, which motivated them to continue their online grudged and get petty revenge by misinterpreting, twisting, and fully just lying about the PH. Or they've emailed Miss Bimbo who, feeling dissatisfied with the site already, buys into their story
hook
line
and
sinker.

Because it fits in with your pre-existing biases, beliefs, and narratives about the site. Because it's represented by fellow misunderstood souls who claim to be right-leaning, just like you! Because you're not happy that the site isn't exactly as you had envisioned it and can't just accept that and cultivate the community you already have. Because it gives you an excuse to take charge for all that you claim not to want to (but keep circling back to despite having been promised a more varied election already and no one but you really seeing the "problems" you speak of).

Sure it's possible that someone has gotten banned over something minor or as an overreaction, but I have yet to be presented with any evidence of a single case like that. (All these case should be evaluated individually.) Please keep that in mind when you come up with "solutions" to these "problems". The majority of the infighting on Bimboland is caused by interpersonal drama and your average hallmark trolling. You are the one reading political motivations into it, when in all likelihood it is much more simple than that

Also, what are you talking about "scared to speak to talk openly"? People have talked plenty in open on this conversation alone and you should see what goes on other threads sometimes

SweetasNuts wrote:

d) allowing alts so that we dont have any worry about feeling a need to stop 'cheaters'. because its no longer cheating.

(The elections are already absolutely fair because no bot can get to level 21)

f) as for duels etc again I maintain that if someone wants to create and manage 50 accounts then so be it. Its so bloody hard they deserve to win. Thats not cheating - its just hard working.

d, "Fraud is too hard a crime to police and we have too much fraud in this country and also I want to commit fraud, so let's just criminalize fraud. Who cares who it screws over or what systems it fucks up?"
f, "Sure, all of this counterfeit money is fake and worthless, but the person who made it used a lot of effort in counterfeiting it, so shouldn't we still value that. Who cares about the people who legitimately work and contribute to society for their money!"

(I had to rewrite this message 3 times as the site forcefully reloaded itself, so that's fun. Going to be my last contribution, as this conversations is clearly not going anywhere. Merry Christmas folks <3)

19.12.2023 11:31:21

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Miss Bimbo

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19.12.2023 12:51:17
Miss Bimbo

I buy into their stories because I believe in freedom of speech and I dont believe in executing or exiling real Bimbo loyalists/patriots. People whom love Ximboland and whom are genuine Bimbo enthusiasts and loyalists should only be executed for the most serious of crimes eg hacking or threats of violence or inciting others to violence. From what I have researched none of that has occurred on our site here in Ximboland.
And I believe that we can't start hunting down and prosecuting loyal Ximbos for stuff they may or may not have said on other sites. Thats persecution and 'going after' Bimbos.

Now do I believe some of those people whom were banned are idiots?
Yes I do.
I suspect I do not like the views or behaviour of many of those who were banned but i do not care about that. I have to put up with their abhorrent views because they are simply hurty words and hurty opinions.

Now some of those people tried to cheat their way into power and they broke the existing rules of alt accounts so thats why they were banned by the Pbs and her teams (rightly). That said the rules were wrong then and need changing now so that we never have the situation where loyal bimbos are being exiled or executed.
Thrown into jail - yes . Warned - yes. Exiled/executed - only in the most extreme circumstances.

There are too many people here whom want to exist in a Ximboland without hurty words or differing opinions. But thats not going to happen so please put on your big bimbo panties and be more robust in the face of words that bother you.
Please remember this -

Sticks and stones may break your bones but words can never hurt a fake bimbo dress up game profile

Lord knows I have to do the same and you all actually know my real name - half the words of this thread are annoying and hurty to me but I just have to get on and accept it.
You guys are all anonymous people hiding behind alternative bimbo characters so how can you claim to be bothered by hurty words when they are directed at make believe Bimbo profiles?

19.12.2023 12:51:17

Muffy Mynxxx

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19.12.2023 16:36:51
Muffy Mynxxx

Miss Bimbo wrote:

Lord knows I have to do the same and you all actually know my real name - half the words of this thread are annoying and hurty to me but I just have to get on and accept it.
You guys are all anonymous people hiding behind alternative bimbo characters so how can you claim to be bothered by hurty words when they are directed at make believe Bimbo profiles?

Because there are some people in this community who hunt down personal information about others, including pictures, to use against them as cited previously. That’s what people are “scared to speak up” for. These same people have also encouraged eating disorders relentlessly, which I would definitely consider to be akin to “inciting others to violence” albeit in a roundabout way. It’s pretty much encouraging suicide and they know full well what they’re doing.

These people have been thrown into jail and forum banned innumerable times but it has only made the issue worse. I’m sure you’ve been contacted about them multiple times over the years. Isn’t it also the job of the President to step in and protect their citizens? No PB has taken care of this problem effectively in the past.

19.12.2023 16:36:51

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19.12.2023 16:57:59
Miss Bimbo

On this site or on other sites?
We are not in the business of policing the internet.
Anything on this site should be managed I agree but anything outside of this site is not our business.

19.12.2023 16:57:59

Marie Hilton

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19.12.2023 17:06:07
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Miss Bimbo wrote

Lord knows I have to do the same and you all actually know my real name - half the words of this thread are annoying and hurty to me but I just have to get on and accept it.
You guys are all anonymous people hiding behind alternative bimbo characters so how can you claim to be bothered by hurty words when they are directed at make believe Bimbo profiles?

hmhm, miss Bimbo, you are the owner of the site creator of Ximboland- I can look up Ximboland owner on google and the second link has your name. As said before multiples Ximbos were doxxed. We did not consent for our pictues, real full name or anything identifiying to be on this site.

Chris, getting doxxed is a living hell. Your name is on a public site that rattaches your name to the site. The hurty words you get, are easy to remove; you can close or change ownership of the site and your life with us is over.

The problem you don't get. is that for us, someone knowing our real name and even our face is terrifying. We are supposed to be anonymous. It is not normal there was doxing incidents and you shrugged em off like it wasnt a real thing

WE DID NOT ATTACH OUR REAL NAME TO THE SITE- AND DO NOT EXPECT OUR REAL NAMES AND PICTURES TO BE POSTED HERE.

19.12.2023 17:06:07

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